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    Re: Justice Alito mouths 'not true'

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    It shows he has no control over his emotions. Oh, and the camera is rolling. I might feel differently if there weren't TV cameras all over the place. But you are a public figure when on national TV, and I think you should show restraint.
    He wasn't being emotional. It was a simple, low-key reaction to an insult that the POTUS gave during a SOTU address.

    If anyone here is being emotional, it's that classless thug we have turning the White House into a joke. He couldn't even control his angsty disappointment at his own failures long enough to give a SOTU address without whining about another branch of the government.

    Yeah, and you want to talk about restraint. Puh-leeze.

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    Re: Justice Alito mouths 'not true'

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Your pathetic attempt to turn it into some kind of great political sign is as dishonest and disgusting as Disneydudes attempt to do so earlier in this thread.
    Where would you put your attempt to turn the term "bank roll" into some kind of great political sign? As dishonest and disgusting or more so?


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    Re: Justice Alito mouths 'not true'

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Of course, it is a non-event. Make no mistake - Obama loves America just as much as Alito does. Alito loves America just as much as Obama does. However, each's philosophy is different, and each has an honest disagreement with the other. Both positions, Obama's and Alito's are honest and valid positions, in respect to the Constitution. I disagree with Obama's position, and believe Alito is correct. However, I am not going to bash Obama over such nonsense.

    If the shoe was on the other foot, that is, if it was a Republican president making a statement saying a decision to uphold that law is wrong, and if a Liberal justice, who had cast a vote to uphold that law had said "Not true", you would be calling for the impeachment of the Supreme Court justice. That is the way hyperpartisan political hackery works.
    I think the difference is Obama loves power a lot more than Alito does. Not unusual of products of the Chicago political machine.

    Again, I don't understand why we continue to throw out pointless hypotheticals. We just had 8 consecutive Republican State of the Union speeches and nothing comparable to this. The shoe is not on the other foot. This is something that Obama did, not the Republican party, so there is no need to qualify it. He needs to be held accountable for his actions and that's what I'm trying to do.
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    Re: Justice Alito mouths 'not true'

    Quote Originally Posted by gopman View Post
    I think the difference is Obama loves power a lot more than Alito does. Not unusual of products of the Chicago political machine.
    What is your proof that on his stance on power? How can you feel justified making this assertion if you are not a mind reader?

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    Re: Justice Alito mouths 'not true'

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    What is your proof that on his stance on power? How can you feel justified making this assertion if you are not a mind reader?
    Well, other than the topic of the thread, massive government control of heathcare and auto industries come to mind, his sleazy dealing with the census bureau, his desire to "spread the wealth around", do you really need much more than that?
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    Re: Justice Alito mouths 'not true'

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    The State of the Union is not the venue for expressing disagreement in this manner. I think it was in extremely poor taste. JMO

    I agree. They should not attend these events.
    Here's the difference - do you actually think Alito intended to have people see him disagree? Do you think he was trying to stick it to Obama by attacking him or drawing attention to himself? Or do you think that he was simply reacting to a bald faced lie in a completely understated fashion?

    I'm sure he's terribly embarassed that the cameras saw him doing this, much like you or I would be if we were there and the cameras caught me shaking my head or explaining something to a neighbor in the back. Would that mean that I was being classless or trying to disrespect Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    How is saying that you disagree with a ruling breaking decorum?
    Saying that you disagree with a ruling would be one thing, though it hasn't happened in 30+ years. Saying you disagree with a ruling and straight up lying about it is another.

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    It was not a flat out lie as you characterize it.

    washingtonpost.com

    The supreme court did overturn a 100 year old ruling. Whether or not it will harm our democracy is a matter of opinion, not fact.
    For ****s sake, no they did not. Please link me to the 100 year old ruling that they overturned. I mean, if it's being mentioned everywhere, it should be easy. Let's see it.

    They may not directly spend on a candidate, but they can now pretty much do want they want for or against a candidate, which pretty much amounts to the same thing.
    First, they could have done the exact same thing before. Does that mean that it would have been okay to accuse McCain of allowing foreign corporations to contribute to candidates?

    Second, there are those who think that the Court's decision in a case like Loving could be used to support a gay marriage claim. Would it be fair for the president to have attacked the Supreme Court back then and accuse them of legalizing gay marriage? No, because the fact that some think a ruling could be used for something later on does not mean that the ruling addressed that issue.


    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    So, a corrupt judge mouths "not true" in response to the exposure of his corruption.

    I would be surprised had he nodded in agreement, but I'm glad he was caught in the act here.
    Oh, by all means, please explain how Alito is a corrupt judge. Show me the trail of dirty money that he's receiving for this decision or how he's otherwise being paid off.

    The fact that he disagrees with you on a legal issue does not make him corrupt. This type of crap is beneath you.

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    They did make it ok by implication. By not addressing it, they allowed multinational corporations to buy airtime in support of their chosen issue or candidate. Any company that has public stock has at least one share that is owned by someone who isn't a citizen, its unavoidable.
    ...And they could have done the exact same thing before. Guess what else they could have done - lobbied directly. They've been doing that for decades.
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    Re: Justice Alito mouths 'not true'

    Quote Originally Posted by gopman View Post
    Well, other than the topic of the thread, massive government control of heathcare and auto industries come to mind, his sleazy dealing with the census bureau, his desire to "spread the wealth around", do you really need much more than that?
    Yes I do.

    Lets see, hes trying to help people get health care.

    He intervened in the auto industries to try and save jobs (cue rant about unions).

    What sleazy dealings with census?

    Spread the wealth around is what liberals do.

    Except for the census thing, which I am not sure to what you referring to, you are pretty much describing a liberal here.

    Are you sure you aren't just being paranoid?

    Besides, what good would power do if he has to give it up in 3 or 7 years?
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    Re: Justice Alito mouths 'not true'

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Yes I do.

    Lets see, hes trying to help people get health care.

    He intervened in the auto industries to try and save jobs (cue rant about unions).

    What sleazy dealings with census?

    Spread the wealth around is what liberals do.

    Except for the census thing, which I am not sure to what you referring to, you are pretty much describing a liberal here.

    Are you sure you aren't just being paranoid?

    Besides, what good would power do if he has to give it up in 3 or 7 years?
    And how could I forget the $800 billion patronage pit that he called a stimulus?!

    Obama directly took over the census bureau immediately after taking office, moving it to the executive branch, then appropriated an additional $1B to it.

    Obama shifts Census oversight, triggering angry protest by Republicans (2/6/09) -- GovExec.com

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...versee-census/

    It gives him tremendous influence over elections for the next ten years.
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    Re: Justice Alito mouths 'not true'

    Quote Originally Posted by gopman View Post
    And how could I forget the $800 billion patronage pit that he called a stimulus?!

    Obama directly took over the census bureau immediately after taking office, moving it to the executive branch, then appropriated an additional $1B to it.

    Obama shifts Census oversight, triggering angry protest by Republicans (2/6/09) -- GovExec.com

    It gives him tremendous influence over elections for the next ten years.
    I fail to see how the stimulus is a power grab. That's just Keynesian economics.

    It looks like to me he wants to try and make sure that the census gets those who fall through the cracks. Which is in the third paragraph. I could see what they would need more funding for that.

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    Re: Justice Alito mouths 'not true'

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I fail to see how the stimulus is a power grab. That's just Keynesian economics.

    It looks like to me he wants to try and make sure that the census gets those who fall through the cracks. Which is in the third paragraph. I could see what they would need more funding for that.
    I'm glad you like covering for the chosen one so much, because you'll be doing a lot of it for the next three years. Your guy is a disaster and everyone knows it. You're not fooling anyone.
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