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    Re: Justice Alito mouths 'not true'

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    Considering the fact these corrupt creatures just hammered in a bunch of nails in the coffin of our democracy, I think they got off light, myself.
    You're just afraid of the Republicans having the same advantages as the Demcorats, is all. It has nothing to do with democracy.

    Truth is, you're pissed that now coporations can throw money at Right wing politicos just like non-profits have been doing for years with the Leftists.
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    ***** The Nails got a Pretty Good Workout in 2008. Obama went private with his funding in 2008 while McCain was hamstrung with a "Public option" . He was audited afterwards being that Public $$$$$ was involved.

    **** Obama though early on clearly indicating he was going to be fully open decided not to shuck what was a clear Monetary advantage knowing McCain with an angered Conservative base would be hard presssed to keep up - therefore he did not take the Public Funds.

    **** To this day with the massive Internet Fundraising for Barry - nobody fully knows the source of some of it - and kindly remember his getting close to the Presidency in some eyes was just a delight . His Mid East perspective by anyone's estimation would be different - therefore the origins of some of his funding is more than suspect - this BTW is 100% illegal - yet the MSM and others could not have cared less.

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    Re: Justice Alito mouths 'not true'

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Aps, I think the world of you, but what Alito did was not wrong. If he had been loud enough to be heard, you would have a point, but he did not, in any way, interrupt or distract from the proceeding. Whispering something to some one seated next to him is not inappropriate.
    I didn't see him whisper to Sotomayor.

    We can agree to disagree on whether what he did was wrong or not. I find his behavior inappropriate. While I value your posts, I don't agree with YOUR assessment. Just because my assessment isn't the same as yours doesn't make it wrong, would you agree? I believe he was rude. You do not. End of story.

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    Re: Justice Alito mouths 'not true'

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Its also not the venue to blatantly lie about a Supreme Court Ruling to criticize it either, an action not done since Gerald Ford apparently.



    If I flat out lie about what you did I think you'd call it "rude" even if I said it very sweetly.
    If they were having a one-on-one conversation, Alito should speak out and disagree.

    From reports it seems what Obama done is something that has not occured in over 30 years, and that's taking a shot at a Supreme Court ruling in the SOTU. That's essentially a break of decorum, doubly so when it appears after a fact check that Obama's statement was completely false
    So that makes Obama wrong? Look, Zyphlin, I'm fine if you think Obama was wrong. I don't. It's really very simple.

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    Re: Justice Alito mouths 'not true'

    That's fine.

    I think what Alito did wasn't classless.

    I think that condemning Alito for "breaking decorum", which is questionable as it wasn't done in any kind of loud or obvious way, while excusing Obama's is hypocritical.

    You don't.

    So be it

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    Re: Justice Alito mouths 'not true'

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    That's fine.

    I think what Alito did wasn't classless.

    I think that condemning Alito for "breaking decorum", which is questionable as it wasn't done in any kind of loud or obvious way, while excusing Obama's is hypocritical.

    You don't.

    So be it
    This was a speech by the President--not a debate forum.

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    Re: Justice Alito mouths 'not true'

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    If they were having a one-on-one conversation, Alito should speak out and disagree.



    So that makes Obama wrong? Look, Zyphlin, I'm fine if you think Obama was wrong. I don't. It's really very simple.
    Obama took this chance to show what a childish, inexperienced, arrogant, lieing figure-head that he is. He's already proven to be the goofiest prez we've ever had and the worst part is, last night be exhibited how he isn't about to change course.
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    Re: Justice Alito mouths 'not true'

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    This was a speech by the President--not a debate forum.
    And there was no "debate" going on. There was a person in the audiance commenting privately to another person and it got picked up on a TV camera. Your statement about it not being a debate forum makes it seem that Alito jumped forward to counter the President. He didn't. The President of the United States just used the SOTU address to take a pot shot at the Supreme Court by using a lie, and amazed as this breech of decorum and class he made a comment to someone. Yet somehow Alito is the only one worthy of scorn.

    That's hardly "classless" in my book. Perhaps a break of decorum? Maybe.

    But no more so than Obama's break in Decorum by lying about the ramifications of a surpreme court decision and attacking said decision in the SOTU addressed, which has not been done in over 3 decades apparently.

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    Re: Justice Alito mouths 'not true'

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    Yikes. If Alito mouthed that, he has a complete lack of decorum. Shame on HIM--not Obama.
    Although I am responding to aps' post, this response is also addressed to zimmer.

    Neither Obama nor Alito are hacks, without decorum. This is nothing like Joe Wilson's "You liar" outburst, which was reprehensible. Constitutionally speaking, Obama is what is known as a loose constructionist, and Alito is a strict constructionist. Each has their own honest argument about how the Constitution should be interpreted, and each acted accordingly, during the SOTU Address.

    As for Alito himself, all he did was express his opinion "Not true", according to his beliefs. He didn't act like a douche bag, calling Obama a liar. He merely stated his belief, after Obama made his statement, which attacked the Supreme Court decision. Alito was also a gentleman, paying respect to Obama, as well as the office of the presidency, by standing and applauding on several occasions.

    Political hyperpartisans on both sides are going to make as much hay as possible from this event. However, the facts don't warrant the spin that either side is pushing.

    IMHO, this is a non-event. Time to move on.
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    Re: Justice Alito mouths 'not true'

    I don't think it's a non-event. If the president thinks it's OK to try to influence the Supreme Court through embarassment and intimidation on national television, then that's a pretty good reason why he shouldn't be president anymore.

    But then, I already knew he shouldn't be president anymore, so maybe in that sense it is a non-event.

    Hopefully it changes some other people's minds though.
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