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    Re: Justice Alito mouths 'not true'

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    What Obama said:



    That is an outright lie, that the constitutional scholar Obama should konw. Corporations can not "bank roll" elections for individuals. The ruling over turned a facet of the law prohibiting corporations from running advertisements with money from their general funds rather than from a PAC. What is DOESN'T overturn is a different part of the law that keeps corporations from directly financing a campaign.

    America's "most powerful interests" can not "bank roll" any election, not based simply on this ruling. Its ludicrous and flat out misrepresentation that I can not fathom such a "Incredibly intelligent" constitutional laywer like Obama did not realize.
    You are nitpicking here. If a corp has enough money than it is not disadvantaged by not having a political infrastructure, it can build one, so it doesn't need to give money directly to a candidate. This allows corps to say what they want to on behalf a corp, which amounts to the same thing. Sure he could have clarified his statement a little better, but what he said is essentially true.

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    It was completely inappropriate of Obama to use the bully pulpit against the Supreme Court. Particularly because it was a lie, but even aside from that it was totally disrespectful of the separation of powers and the way our government is supposed to work.
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    It's amusing to read what offends the left. Alito was probably stunned by Obama's arrogance.
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    Re: Justice Alito mouths 'not true'

    Quote Originally Posted by gopman View Post
    It was completely inappropriate of Obama to use the bully pulpit against the Supreme Court. Particularly because it was a lie, but even aside from that it was totally disrespectful of the separation of powers and the way our government is supposed to work.
    Just because its the supreme court does not mean it cannot act stupidly or against the interest of the country. His manner was wrong, but his opinion on the matter is completely legitimate.

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    Re: Justice Alito mouths 'not true'

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Just because its the supreme court does not mean it cannot act stupidly or against the interest of the country. His manner was wrong, but his opinion on the matter is completely legitimate.
    It's fine that he has an opinion. I have disagreed with the supreme court before. That's not the issue. The issue was his inappropriate action. It's not the president's place to use the state of the union to embarrass or intimidate Supreme Court justices. It was a really slimy, shameful thing to do.
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    Re: Justice Alito mouths 'not true'

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    You are nitpicking here. If a corp has enough money than it is not disadvantaged by not having a political infrastructure, it can build one, so it doesn't need to give money directly to a candidate. This allows corps to say what they want to on behalf a corp, which amounts to the same thing. Sure he could have clarified his statement a little better, but what he said is essentially true.
    No, its not nit picking. Its what he said. YOU don't get to say "No no no, you have to pay attention to this OTHER thing he said, not that one" and complain I'm nit picking.

    HE said it. He stated that coprorations were going to be "bankrolling" elections. Not that they were going to be showing ads. Not that they'd be influencing the population. That they'd be bankrolling hte elections themselves.

    Thats a flat out lie.

    Just because you tried to defend him, got it wrong because you tried to point to a different statement, and are now having to back peddle doesn't mean its "nit picking".

    He said what he said. He said what he said in a way that's been unprecedented for over 30 years it seems like. And he said what he said without no factual backing.

    For years we've had liberals on this site telling us Bush "lied" by saying that Iraq was responsable for 9/11 and when its shown that he never actually said that they go "Well, he implied it and he gave the impression of it, so he lied".

    Yet we take something Obama LITEREALLY ACTUALLY SAID and I'm told that's "nit picking"

    For the love of christ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    It's amusing to read what offends the left. Alito was probably stunned by Obama's arrogance.
    It's amusing to see some one try and characterize the comments of a couple as the thoughts of the whole, especially when proof that it is not the whole within this very thread.
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    Re: Justice Alito mouths 'not true'

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    It's amusing to see some one try and characterize the comments of a couple as the thoughts of the whole, especially when proof that it is not the whole within this very thread.
    Oh spare me Redress, you know whom those words were aimed at and why. If it doesn't apply to you, ignore it. Sheesh you've got thin skin this morning.
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    Indeed, how dare you get upset when Mr. V broadly insults an entire political spectrum of which you belong to. He's supposed to be able to widely insult entire swatches of the population and the ones he doesn't REALLY mean to insult are supposed to just know it. JEEZ

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    Re: Justice Alito mouths 'not true'

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    No, its not nit picking. Its what he said. YOU don't get to say "No no no, you have to pay attention to this OTHER thing he said, not that one" and complain I'm nit picking.

    HE said it. He stated that coprorations were going to be "bankrolling" elections. Not that they were going to be showing ads. Not that they'd be influencing the population. That they'd be bankrolling hte elections themselves.

    Thats a flat out lie.

    Just because you tried to defend him, got it wrong because you tried to point to a different statement, and are now having to back peddle doesn't mean its "nit picking".

    He said what he said. He said what he said in a way that's been unprecedented for over 30 years it seems like. And he said what he said without no factual backing.

    For years we've had liberals on this site telling us Bush "lied" by saying that Iraq was responsable for 9/11 and when its shown that he never actually said that they go "Well, he implied it and he gave the impression of it, so he lied".

    Yet we take something Obama LITEREALLY ACTUALLY SAID and I'm told that's "nit picking"

    For the love of christ.
    That's because you are. Bankrolling and unlimited spending, even if not direct ARE THE SAME THING. At this point a politician doesn't have to even run ads, all they have to spend money on is making appearances at various events.
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