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Justice Alito mouths 'not true'

Again, that's generally the tradition. The President tends to give a few minor things that will make the other side clap and his side be quiet. This is not uncommon. Go back and watch old state of the unions. I garauntee you you'll find things that were questionable by a Republican president that the Republicans all erupted for. Its just how these things go. Your pathetic attempt to turn it into some kind of great political sign is as dishonest and disgusting as Disneydudes attempt to do so earlier in this thread.

I'm afraid you're off on this one. All I'm doing is holding them accountable for their actions. I respect what you're trying to do by being fair to both sides, but frankly that can go too far when it gets in the way of accountability. Obama did something inappropriate, liberals in Congress and the Media applauded it, that is not simply decorum- that is a bad thing and I can state that without being "pathetic".
 
Gee! Alito didn't kiss The One's robe. The horror!!
 
I didn't state YOU are pathetic, I said it of your attempt to politicize and wrongly infer the feelings of the entire "left" based on the actions of the politicians that was right in line with the traditional and commonly performed ettiquite for the night was.

I would agree with you 100% if this wasn't the SOTU and they stood up and applauded. But what he did, while extremely rare and I think uncalled for, wasn't enough in my eyes at all for people to instantly think "GRRR lets break age old tradition and common ettiquite of the nigh for this". Not in the least.

Your NOTION, your THOUGHT, your assertion is as pathetic of an attempt at scoring political points as Disneydudes attempt to do the exact same thing as you, save for being its opposite, with regards to the republicans. Its manipulating a decades to centuries old tradition for political gain, and is a display of worthless political hyper partisanship for the sake of scoring points and has nothing to do with accountability nor principle.

My apologizes if you were thinking I was insulting you specifically, I was not. You've seemed a decent poster from what I can remember thus far. That said, it doesn't make your point any less unsavory as Disneydudes and I'm not going to magically treat your point better than his simply because you're a conservative and he's a liberal. A pathetic manipulation of tradition to score political points by someone being overly partisan is bad, regardless of the side.
 
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So, a corrupt judge mouths "not true" in response to the exposure of his corruption.

I would be surprised had he nodded in agreement, but I'm glad he was caught in the act here.
 
Your NOTION, your THOUGHT, your assertion is as pathetic as Disneydudes attempt to do the exact same thing as you, save for being its opposite, with regards to the republicans. Its manipulating a decades to centuries old tradition for political gain, and that is a disgusting display of worthless political hyper partisanship for the sake of scoring points and has nothing to do with accountability nor principle.

That's fine, but I think you're confused about what decorum is. The applause after the inappropriate comment wasn't ceremonial. It was intended by the liberals who participated to express their approval and indeed enhance the embarrassing/indimidating effect of the inappropriate comment.

Now I happen to believe that is reflective of their ability to lead the country in that it demonstrates a lack of respect for separation of powers and the intended role and functioning of government in the US. Therefore it is a point worth making- it is not a pathetic notion or thought. There is a difference between making a legitimate point and taking a "hyperpartisan" shot for a cheap "political gain" which you are also failing to distinguish.

I don't take it as an insult. And I suspect we agree on the underlying principle. I just generally don't like the notion that every time we hold one party accountable for something they do wrong we are obliged to try to moderate and qualify it, particularly in a case like this where there isn't really a any comparison in recent history.
 
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Obama shows more inexperience, you don't take issue with a court ruling and have the Chamber behind you applaud. The Court isn't a political animal, at least, not supposed to be one.

Alito correct in shaking his head and speaking disapprovement, Obama is a circus clown, I hope last night made that clear to everyone.
 
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Look at Justice Robert's face as well. He understands Obama is a clown. Even Sotomayor looks a lil bothered....although with her 7 chins, I can't tell.
 
So, a corrupt judge mouths "not true" in response to the exposure of his corruption.

I would be surprised had he nodded in agreement, but I'm glad he was caught in the act here.

Here...is the State of the Union Address, you don't take swipes at the Court in front of you. Your not knowing this doesn't excuse Obama's clownish antics.

Obama is an inexperienced mental midget.
 
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So, a corrupt judge mouths "not true" in response to the exposure of his corruption.

I would be surprised had he nodded in agreement, but I'm glad he was caught in the act here.


***** Maybe I missed it :( Where is Alito corrupt ????
 
Here...is the State of the Union Address, you don't take swipes at the Court in front of you. Your not knowing this doesn't excuse Obama's clownish antics.

Obama is an inexperienced mental midget.

Considering the fact these corrupt creatures just hammered in a bunch of nails in the coffin of our democracy, I think they got off light, myself.
 
Considering the fact these corrupt creatures just hammered in a bunch of nails in the coffin of our democracy, I think they got off light, myself.

You're just afraid of the Republicans having the same advantages as the Demcorats, is all. It has nothing to do with democracy.

Truth is, you're pissed that now coporations can throw money at Right wing politicos just like non-profits have been doing for years with the Leftists.
 
***** The Nails got a Pretty Good Workout in 2008. Obama went private with his funding in 2008 while McCain was hamstrung with a "Public option" . He was audited afterwards being that Public $$$$$ was involved.

**** Obama though early on clearly indicating he was going to be fully open decided not to shuck what was a clear Monetary advantage knowing McCain with an angered Conservative base would be hard presssed to keep up - therefore he did not take the Public Funds.

**** To this day with the massive Internet Fundraising for Barry - nobody fully knows the source of some of it - and kindly remember his getting close to the Presidency in some eyes was just a delight . His Mid East perspective by anyone's estimation would be different - therefore the origins of some of his funding is more than suspect - this BTW is 100% illegal - yet the MSM and others could not have cared less.
 
Aps, I think the world of you, but what Alito did was not wrong. If he had been loud enough to be heard, you would have a point, but he did not, in any way, interrupt or distract from the proceeding. Whispering something to some one seated next to him is not inappropriate.

I didn't see him whisper to Sotomayor.

We can agree to disagree on whether what he did was wrong or not. I find his behavior inappropriate. While I value your posts, I don't agree with YOUR assessment. Just because my assessment isn't the same as yours doesn't make it wrong, would you agree? I believe he was rude. You do not. End of story.
 
Its also not the venue to blatantly lie about a Supreme Court Ruling to criticize it either, an action not done since Gerald Ford apparently.



If I flat out lie about what you did I think you'd call it "rude" even if I said it very sweetly.

If they were having a one-on-one conversation, Alito should speak out and disagree.

From reports it seems what Obama done is something that has not occured in over 30 years, and that's taking a shot at a Supreme Court ruling in the SOTU. That's essentially a break of decorum, doubly so when it appears after a fact check that Obama's statement was completely false

So that makes Obama wrong? Look, Zyphlin, I'm fine if you think Obama was wrong. I don't. It's really very simple.
 
That's fine.

I think what Alito did wasn't classless.

I think that condemning Alito for "breaking decorum", which is questionable as it wasn't done in any kind of loud or obvious way, while excusing Obama's is hypocritical.

You don't.

So be it
 
That's fine.

I think what Alito did wasn't classless.

I think that condemning Alito for "breaking decorum", which is questionable as it wasn't done in any kind of loud or obvious way, while excusing Obama's is hypocritical.

You don't.

So be it

This was a speech by the President--not a debate forum.
 
If they were having a one-on-one conversation, Alito should speak out and disagree.



So that makes Obama wrong? Look, Zyphlin, I'm fine if you think Obama was wrong. I don't. It's really very simple.

Obama took this chance to show what a childish, inexperienced, arrogant, lieing figure-head that he is. He's already proven to be the goofiest prez we've ever had and the worst part is, last night be exhibited how he isn't about to change course.
 
This was a speech by the President--not a debate forum.

And there was no "debate" going on. There was a person in the audiance commenting privately to another person and it got picked up on a TV camera. Your statement about it not being a debate forum makes it seem that Alito jumped forward to counter the President. He didn't. The President of the United States just used the SOTU address to take a pot shot at the Supreme Court by using a lie, and amazed as this breech of decorum and class he made a comment to someone. Yet somehow Alito is the only one worthy of scorn.

That's hardly "classless" in my book. Perhaps a break of decorum? Maybe.

But no more so than Obama's break in Decorum by lying about the ramifications of a surpreme court decision and attacking said decision in the SOTU addressed, which has not been done in over 3 decades apparently.
 
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Yikes. If Alito mouthed that, he has a complete lack of decorum. Shame on HIM--not Obama.

Although I am responding to aps' post, this response is also addressed to zimmer.

Neither Obama nor Alito are hacks, without decorum. This is nothing like Joe Wilson's "You liar" outburst, which was reprehensible. Constitutionally speaking, Obama is what is known as a loose constructionist, and Alito is a strict constructionist. Each has their own honest argument about how the Constitution should be interpreted, and each acted accordingly, during the SOTU Address.

As for Alito himself, all he did was express his opinion "Not true", according to his beliefs. He didn't act like a douche bag, calling Obama a liar. He merely stated his belief, after Obama made his statement, which attacked the Supreme Court decision. Alito was also a gentleman, paying respect to Obama, as well as the office of the presidency, by standing and applauding on several occasions.

Political hyperpartisans on both sides are going to make as much hay as possible from this event. However, the facts don't warrant the spin that either side is pushing.

IMHO, this is a non-event. Time to move on.
 
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I don't think it's a non-event. If the president thinks it's OK to try to influence the Supreme Court through embarassment and intimidation on national television, then that's a pretty good reason why he shouldn't be president anymore.

But then, I already knew he shouldn't be president anymore, so maybe in that sense it is a non-event.

Hopefully it changes some other people's minds though.
 
I don't think it's a non-event. If the president thinks it's OK to try to influence the Supreme Court through embarassment and intimidation on national television, then that's a pretty good reason why he shouldn't be president anymore.

But then, I already knew he shouldn't be president anymore, so maybe in that sense it is a non-event.

Hopefully it changes some other people's minds though.

Of course, it is a non-event. Make no mistake - Obama loves America just as much as Alito does. Alito loves America just as much as Obama does. However, each's philosophy is different, and each has an honest disagreement with the other. Both positions, Obama's and Alito's are honest and valid positions, in respect to the Constitution. I disagree with Obama's position, and believe Alito is correct. However, I am not going to bash Obama over such nonsense.

If the shoe was on the other foot, that is, if it was a Republican president making a statement saying a decision to uphold that law is wrong, and if a Liberal justice, who had cast a vote to uphold that law had said "Not true", you would be calling for the impeachment of the Supreme Court justice. That is the way hyperpartisan political hackery works.
 
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I don't think it's a non-event. If the president thinks it's OK to try to influence the Supreme Court through embarassment and intimidation on national television, then that's a pretty good reason why he shouldn't be president anymore.

But then, I already knew he shouldn't be president anymore, so maybe in that sense it is a non-event.

Hopefully it changes some other people's minds though.
Excellent point! This whole discussion shows that the left is embarrassed by seeing their boy called out and, as usual, try to blame the messenger. Joe Wilson spoke truth to power, Alito whispered truth to himself -- truth tellers are not welcome in the company of the left.
 
Excellent point! This whole discussion shows that the left is embarrassed by seeing their boy called out and, as usual, try to blame the messenger. Joe Wilson spoke truth to power, Alito whispered truth to himself -- truth tellers are not welcome in the company of the left.

"boy"?

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"boy"?

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If you are reacting the way I think you are. I think you are reading too much into it. "Their boy" is a common colloquialism.
 
I don't have a problem with a member of Congress doing it, as they wear their political beliefs on their sleeves. I have a problem when someone who is supposed to be impartial shows a lack of it in this manner.

How was it not "impartial"? Alito didn't make a political statement. Obama outright misrepresented what the Court decided. That's a factual matter, not one of opinion. The Court specifically, overtly, in plain language, did NOT address the matter of foreign influence. Obama should have known that, probably did know what, yet he said the Court made it OK. That's either a lie or a reckless disregard of the truth.

Alito wasn't arguing with him on policy or on opinion. He was reacting to a bald-face misrepresentation of verifiable fact.
 
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