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    Re: Justice Alito mouths 'not true'

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    And yet justice Stevens and three others said basically the same thing Obama did. Did he misrepresent?
    Except Obama's statement went beyond the actual dissenting opinion. Read the rest of the thread.

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    Re: Justice Alito mouths 'not true'

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    And yet justice Stevens and three others said basically the same thing Obama did. Did he misrepresent?
    I seriously doubt that....

    2 U.S.C. Section 441e


    (a) Prohibition It shall be unlawful for - (1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make - (A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election; (B) a contribution or donation to a committee of a political party; or (C) an expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement for an electioneering communication (within the meaning of section 434(f)(3) of this title); or (2) a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) from a foreign national. (b) "Foreign national" defined As used in this section, the term "foreign national" means - (1) a foreign principal, as such term is defined by section 611(b) of title 22, except that the term "foreign national" shall not include any individual who is a citizen of the United States; or (2) an individual who is not a citizen of the United States or a national of the United States (as defined in section 1101(a)(22) of title 8) and who is not lawfully admitted for permanent residence, as defined by section 1101(a)(20) of title 8.

    Read more: 2 USC 441e - U.S. Code - Title 2: The Congress - 2 USC 441 - Sec. 441e. Contributions and donations by foreign nationals - vLex
    2 USC 441e - U.S. Code - Title 2: The Congress - 2 USC 441 - Sec. 441e. Contributions and donations by foreign nationals - vLex

    This law was not changed or in any way part of this SC decision, so why would anyone think that it opened the door to foreign electioneering?

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    Re: Justice Alito mouths 'not true'

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    And yet justice Stevens and three others said basically the same thing Obama did. Did he misrepresent?
    Virtually every single legal "expert" and analyst I have seen and heard from (NRP, BBC, PBS, Fox and CNN) has stated plainly that Obama was completely wrong and misleading in making that statement, not to mention in pretty poor taste. In fact I have not seen anyone yet say Mr. Obama's comment was not out place and a breach of long held decorum. Well except Aps. Of course some tempered their words and stated misleading, other were more bold and used the word lie. All of them agreed that a constitutional scholar with a legal team that supposedly vetted his comments before hand, should not have made such a claim.

    If you could point us to where and in what context Stevens and three others supposedly made the same basic claims at that would be helpful.
    Last edited by Sir Loin; 01-28-10 at 08:05 PM.

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    Re: Justice Alito mouths 'not true'

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    And yet justice Stevens and three others said basically the same thing Obama did. Did he misrepresent?
    Certainly.

    Page 53 of the decision:

    We need not reach the question whether the Government has a compelling interest in preventing foreign individuals or associations from influencing our Nation’spolitical process. Cf. 2 U. S. C. §441e (contribution and expenditure ban applied to “foreign national[s]”).
    They struck down Sec. 441b and left 441e intact, indicating that if Congress wishes to restructure something with exactly foreign contributions in mind, this decision does not hinder that.
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    Re: Justice Alito mouths 'not true'

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Certainly.

    Page 53 of the decision:



    They struck down Sec. 441b and left 441e intact, indicating that if Congress wishes to restructure something with exactly foreign contributions in mind, this decision does not hinder that.
    Right, but what that is is saying that if you change the law, then, and only then, will this potential problem that Stevens refers to go away. Until then, it is a legitimate possible problem, and we have all seen this past year how hard it can be to change laws.
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    Re: Justice Alito mouths 'not true'

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    The most powerful singular figure in all of America in his biggest speech of the year just stated a bold face lie to the entire nation in the process of accusing the Supreme Court of selling out the country.

    I'd say that's a bit worse than if he called Alito a jerk.

    I'd hardly call a singular whisper to someone near by in disagreement with the President is a sign the man can't "control his emotions"
    That's an interesting perspective. The Supreme Court really must be fuming over this - what a slap in the face. They were trying to uphold the most important document in our country.
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    Re: Justice Alito mouths 'not true'

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Right, but what that is is saying that if you change the law, then, and only then, will this potential problem that Stevens refers to go away. Until then, it is a legitimate possible problem, and we have all seen this past year how hard it can be to change laws.
    This is what Obama said:

    "Last week, the Supreme Court reversed a century of law to open the floodgates for special interests — including foreign corporations — to spend without limit in our elections.. Well I don’t think American elections should be bankrolled by America’s most powerful interests, or worse, by foreign entities. They should be decided by the American people, and that’s why I’m urging Democrats and Republicans to pass a bill that helps to right this wrong."
    Besides the "century of law" canard, he makes it sound like the decision was affirmatively that foreign corporations were protected, when what actually happened was that an overbroad restriction on corporations was struck down. They specifically said they didn't reach any question on foreign contributions.
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    Re: Justice Alito mouths 'not true'

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Someone with "class" doesn't purposely misrepresent a Supreme Court case in a SOTUA to score political points, while they're sitting right there and are "expected" just to sit there and take it.
    Oh, you're assuming that his misrepresentation was intentional. LOL Okay.

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    Re: Justice Alito mouths 'not true'

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    The most powerful singular figure in all of America in his biggest speech of the year just stated a bold face lie to the entire nation in the process of accusing the Supreme Court of selling out the country.

    I'd say that's a bit worse than if he called Alito a jerk.

    I'd hardly call a singular whisper to someone near by in disagreement with the President is a sign the man can't "control his emotions"
    I'm watching the footage right now. In discussing what he thought the repercussions of the holding would entail, he said, "I THINK." He may have the wrong understanding of what the holding held as opposed to intentionally making up crap just to make a point. Give me a break.

    Alito is classless. Plain and simple. IMHO

    Obama is perfect.

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    Re: Justice Alito mouths 'not true'

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    Yeah ... that is a good point. Some of them are downright arrogant.

    Sheesh!

    The scariest part of it is that they don't change after they graduate.
    I see it as insecurity masked by arrogance. Seriously. (Now, my husband and I aren't braggarts. )

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