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Obama State of the Union

Obama should order TX to immediately transfer that money to NV and CA to help their deficits. :mrgreen:

Wouldn't put it past him to try for after all it is unfair for TX to have a surplus and their budget under control and other states like California suffering. Isn't that the "progressive' way?

Watch for the attacks now from OC when confronted with sites other than those OC supports. Just like with all liberals govt. numbers are only accurate when they support a liberal's point of view.

Instead of trying to duplicate what TX is doing liberals attack TX and the success the state has generated in some very difficult economic times. That is what liberals always do, attack success as being unfair.

How about it Catawba?
 
I have looked up what the Comptroller said and the problem is obviously you cannot comprehend exactly what he said.

HE?

Susan Combs - Texas Comptroller of Public Accounts

Elected by the people of Texas in 2006, Susan Combs serves as the Texas Comptroller of Public Accounts.

Huh. Imagine that.

And you are a clearly lying about looking up the comptroller.

Care to post some quotes from SUSAN COMBS?

All you have is hyperbole. Where I actually post data you just go off about how Texas is the best based on your factless opinions.

Maybe if you actually did some research you would find what the Comptroller said. Since you won't do it here is exactly what she said

•Texas Comptroller Susan Combs recently estimated that the state will have a surplus of $10.7 billion for the upcoming biennium.

Cite or you are lying.
And highly misinformed:

And you might want to read your own link: Texas faces a current year 3.5 billion dollar gap before budget adoption.

She said estimates that lawmakers will confront a deficit of $10 billion to $11 billion are reasonable, but she sees hopeful signs the number could be well down in the single digits by January.

Thanks again for showing you don't know what a surplus is.

Asked about O'Brien's estimate that the budget gap could be between $10 billion and $11 billion, she said, "I don't find that a hard number to understand."

Texas comptroller: Budget shortfall outlook overblown | News for Dallas, Texas | Dallas Morning News | Texas Regional News

That's Conservative. Wrong as usual. Still haven't figured out what linear regression is have you?

It's still funny you are arguing that a prior year item is actually current revenue.

So much for the notion that Conservative has ANY idea how business works.
 
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Wouldn't put it past him to try for after all it is unfair for TX to have a surplus and their budget under control and other states like California suffering. Isn't that the "progressive' way?

Huh. When your own comptroller considers a $11 billion deficit to be "reasonable" it is highly questionable if you are capable of accepting reality.

Watch for the attacks now from OC when confronted with sites other than those OC supports.

You mean like your own link which shows Texas has a current year $3.5 billion deficit?

How much can one person fail in one thread? This has to be a new record.

Hell, you can't even get the gender correct of your comptroller.
 
This guy is essentially Navy Pride.

Wrong on everything. Posts links that refute his own claims. Ignores everything he does not like. Relies upon calling people liberals as if that changes basic math.

A current operating deficit of $3.5 billion is a current operating deficit of $3.5 billion regardless of what political ideology you bat for (THANKS CONSERVATIVE FOR THE LINK, IT'S EVEN BETTER THEN THE $1 BILLION OPERATING DEFICIT). Having $3.5 billion of costs exceeding revenue is simple accounting. Being a liberal or a conservative doesn't change the fact that you have $3.5 billion of costs exceeding revenue.

Furthermore, being a liberal or a conservative doesn't change whether a rainy day fund made of money accumulated from taxes in prior periods unrelated to any future action is not a current year revenue item. Sure, the current year taxes funneling into the rainy day are current year revenue items (but generally because they are rainy day tagged they are not included in available general funds under most state CAFRs) but prior year rainy day funds made of up prior year taxes are never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever current revenue.

I do enjoy it when my opponent gives me the necessary ammunition from his own links to sink his argument.
 
Oh that's GOOD. That's Conservative, keep posting, it's hilarious.

Fast Facts about Texas spending | Texas Budget Source

That's for the 2008-2009 state budget. The REST OF US are talking about the 2009-2010.

Thanks for not checking your facts or dates.

Out of date and dead last wrong. What's new in the Fail world Conservative inhabits?
 
Texas Senator Hutchinson(R) had this to say about the Texas budget shortfall problems in July of last year ~

"Perry, on the other hand, in order to balance the state’s budget shortfall, Hutchison says, “accepted and spent 97 percent of the federal stimulus funds offered Texas. He wrote letters requesting the money and publicly asked Vice President Joe Biden — twice — for reassurance that Texas would receive some of it.”

In other words, according to Hutchison:

Perry talked loudly and carried a small stick. Instead of tightening our belt and enacting spending cuts as other states did, Texas turned almost exclusively to Washington for help. We now learn that Texas used a higher percentage of federal money – some $12.1 billion — to close its structural deficit than any other state. This is how our state budget was balanced.

There you have it, straight from the Texas horse’s mouth.
The one that just came storming out of the barn, not the one that has been roaming around the prairie wanting to secede from the farm."


Texas Senator Hutchison Takes on Gov. Perry - Dorian de Wind - Open Salon
 
Texas Senator Hutchinson(R) had this to say about the Texas budget shortfall problems in July of last year ~

"Perry, on the other hand, in order to balance the state’s budget shortfall, Hutchison says, “accepted and spent 97 percent of the federal stimulus funds offered Texas. He wrote letters requesting the money and publicly asked Vice President Joe Biden — twice — for reassurance that Texas would receive some of it.”

In other words, according to Hutchison:

Perry talked loudly and carried a small stick. Instead of tightening our belt and enacting spending cuts as other states did, Texas turned almost exclusively to Washington for help. We now learn that Texas used a higher percentage of federal money – some $12.1 billion — to close its structural deficit than any other state. This is how our state budget was balanced.

There you have it, straight from the Texas horse’s mouth.
The one that just came storming out of the barn, not the one that has been roaming around the prairie wanting to secede from the farm."


Texas Senator Hutchison Takes on Gov. Perry - Dorian de Wind - Open Salon

It does seem that the people in TX disagree with you. First they voted for McCain as Obama lost the state by over a million votes. Second Perry has a 20 point lead in some polls of KBH. Third TX does have a budget surplus as proven by actual results.

Now instead of hating success, why don't you embrace it and find out what TX is doing that the rest of the nation isn't? The Stimulus fund was passed, Perry turned down the money but the Legislature overruled him. Regardless if the money is being spent why not in TX. Think that money was going back to the Treasury?
 
This guy is essentially Navy Pride.

Wrong on everything. Posts links that refute his own claims. Ignores everything he does not like. Relies upon calling people liberals as if that changes basic math.

A current operating deficit of $3.5 billion is a current operating deficit of $3.5 billion regardless of what political ideology you bat for (THANKS CONSERVATIVE FOR THE LINK, IT'S EVEN BETTER THEN THE $1 BILLION OPERATING DEFICIT). Having $3.5 billion of costs exceeding revenue is simple accounting. Being a liberal or a conservative doesn't change the fact that you have $3.5 billion of costs exceeding revenue.

Furthermore, being a liberal or a conservative doesn't change whether a rainy day fund made of money accumulated from taxes in prior periods unrelated to any future action is not a current year revenue item. Sure, the current year taxes funneling into the rainy day are current year revenue items (but generally because they are rainy day tagged they are not included in available general funds under most state CAFRs) but prior year rainy day funds made of up prior year taxes are never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever current revenue.

I do enjoy it when my opponent gives me the necessary ammunition from his own links to sink his argument.

OC, you are indeed a legend in your own mind. The people of TX are going to decide who is right or wrong, not you and right now Perry has a 20 point lead in the Primary over KBH, voted by over a million votes against Obama and are faring better than most states in the Union during this Obama recession.

Now you can continue to play your games with words and websites but what really matters is how the people feel. You want to spread your misery equally to everyone else and the people of TX don't want any of what you are selling.

It is a waste of time even discussing anything with you since facts don't matter. You also haven't a clue how to read the report I sent you from the Center of Budget Priorities. Sorry, OC, I love living in this state with Conservative leadership, a Budget surplus, and no state income taxes. You can spin it anyway you want but all you do is keep digging a deeper hole. :2wave::2wave:
 
Oh that's GOOD. That's Conservative, keep posting, it's hilarious.

Fast Facts about Texas spending | Texas Budget Source

That's for the 2008-2009 state budget. The REST OF US are talking about the 2009-2010.

Thanks for not checking your facts or dates.

Out of date and dead last wrong. What's new in the Fail world Conservative inhabits?

Most here, like me, don't know what you are talking about from one post to another. Yes, this is the 2008-2009 numbers and not 2010-2011 numbers which of course aren't over yet. Again you show that you don't know that projections are different from actual numbers.

TX is being affected by the Obama recession but I'll bet not to the extent your state. Did you even read the information posted there including the comments from Susan Comb's regarding the surplus? Did you read where TX ranks in terms of taxes?

It really is too bad that you don't understand how foolish you look as you focus on trying to prove yourself right vs. understanding how TX ranks in the nation and how it is weathering the Obama recession.

The people of TX "get it" whereas I doubt you ever will.
 
It seems the unemployed is worse than Obama is telling you.


Underemployed Report Spending 36% Less Than Employed

Gallup's daily measure of U.S. employment reveals that 19.9% of the U.S. workforce was underemployed during the month of January, translating to close to 30 million Americans who are working less than their desired capacity. Those who were underemployed reported spending 36% less than those who were employed, $48 per day versus $75 per day.

Average Daily Spending Among Employed and Underemployed, January 2010

These results are based on January interviews with more than 20,000 adults in the U.S. workforce, aged 18 and older. Gallup classifies respondents as "employed" if they are employed full time or are employed part time but do not want to work full time. Gallup classifies respondents as "underemployed" if they are employed part time but want to work full time or are unemployed.

"The underemployed are less likely than the employed to say they are able to make a major purchase, such as a car or home repair, if needed."

As unemployment rates remain high, reduced spending by millions of underemployed Americans has obvious implications for economic recovery. Spending is, however, just one of many ways underemployment costs the U.S. and hurts its workforce. Gallup's employment measure also reveals further disparities between the employed and the underemployed on vital indicators such as attitudes toward money, access to healthcare, demographics, and wellbeing.
 
It seems the unemployed is worse than Obama is telling you.


Underemployed Report Spending 36% Less Than Employed

Gallup's daily measure of U.S. employment reveals that 19.9% of the U.S. workforce was underemployed during the month of January, translating to close to 30 million Americans who are working less than their desired capacity. Those who were underemployed reported spending 36% less than those who were employed, $48 per day versus $75 per day.

Average Daily Spending Among Employed and Underemployed, January 2010

These results are based on January interviews with more than 20,000 adults in the U.S. workforce, aged 18 and older. Gallup classifies respondents as "employed" if they are employed full time or are employed part time but do not want to work full time. Gallup classifies respondents as "underemployed" if they are employed part time but want to work full time or are unemployed.

"The underemployed are less likely than the employed to say they are able to make a major purchase, such as a car or home repair, if needed."

As unemployment rates remain high, reduced spending by millions of underemployed Americans has obvious implications for economic recovery. Spending is, however, just one of many ways underemployment costs the U.S. and hurts its workforce. Gallup's employment measure also reveals further disparities between the employed and the underemployed on vital indicators such as attitudes toward money, access to healthcare, demographics, and wellbeing.

Hope and Change we can believe in!!
 
It does seem that the people in TX disagree with you. First they voted for McCain as Obama lost the state by over a million votes. Second Perry has a 20 point lead in some polls of KBH. Third TX does have a budget surplus as proven by actual results.

Now instead of hating success, why don't you embrace it and find out what TX is doing that the rest of the nation isn't? The Stimulus fund was passed, Perry turned down the money but the Legislature overruled him. Regardless if the money is being spent why not in TX. Think that money was going back to the Treasury?


Now you want to address the charges by Sen. Hutchinson that Perry, "We now learn that Texas used a higher percentage of federal money – some $12.1 billion — to close its structural deficit than any other state. This is how our state budget was balanced."
 
US Jan mass layoffs edge up on weak manufacturing | Reuters


The Labor Department said the number of mass layoff actions -- defined as job cuts involving at least 50 people from a single employer -- increased by 35 to 1,761. Mass layoffs had trended lower since August.

A total of 182,261 workers were affected last month. In January, 486 mass layoff events were reported in manufacturing, resulting in 62,556 workers filing claims for state unemployment benefits. It was the first increase in mass layoffs in manufacturing since August.
 
Now you want to address the charges by Sen. Hutchinson that Perry, "We now learn that Texas used a higher percentage of federal money – some $12.1 billion — to close its structural deficit than any other state. This is how our state budget was balanced."

Don't know that to be true nor does it matter. What matters is the state of the TX economy vs. the U.S. Economy or even the economy in your state. What matters is what the people of TX think and how we live here. By the way can you explain to me or anyone else how a stimulus plan signed in February got to the State of TX so quickly if indeed it did?

You seem to have a problem and want to spread your liberal misery equally to everyone else.

The State Govt. of TX stands behind its claim of a budget surplus and who are you or anyone else to question it, also why do you care since obviously you have little respect for TX regardless of the economic conditions here.

Seems to me that you are more concerned about proving me wrong than doing what is right for the American economy. To deny that the TX economy is in better shape that almost every state in the country just shows how naive, gullible, and misinformed you are. TX got it right in the last election and continues to do what is right now.
 
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OC, you are indeed a legend in your own mind. The people of TX are going to decide who is right or wrong, not you and right now Perry has a 20 point lead in the Primary over KBH, voted by over a million votes against Obama and are faring better than most states in the Union during this Obama recession.

And that's relevant to what I'm talking about how?

Now you can continue to play your games with words and websites but what really matters is how the people feel. You want to spread your misery equally to everyone else and the people of TX don't want any of what you are selling.

Again, that's relevant to what I'm talking about how?

I see you posted nothing to dispute the numbers or anything else I've said.

It is a waste of time even discussing anything with you since facts don't matter.

Like how Susan Combs is a woman despite you calling her a man? :2wave:

Or the fact that she called a $11 billion state deficit "reasonable?"

Or how about the fact the very link you posted shows Texas having a $3.5 billion state deficit prior to budget adoption?

You also haven't a clue how to read the report I sent you from the Center of Budget Priorities.

Then quote where it says Texas has a surplus.

If you can. Which you won't. Because you can't.

There goes Conservative. Impervious to facts. Even facts from his own linked sources.
 
The State Govt. of TX stands behind its claim of a budget surplus and who are you or anyone else to question it

Well, your REPUBLICAN FEMALE COMPTROLLER suggests otherwise. Unless you can't tell the difference between 2008-2009 fiscal year from 2009-2010 fiscal year.

Seems to me that you are more concerned about proving me wrong than doing what is right for the American economy.

Actually, we are more interested in getting a few laughs at your expense. Your inability to refute anything anyone here has said, not to mention your lack of maturity in admitting you are wrong on a wide variety of subjects, including calling an obviously female comptroller a "HE" is pretty funny.

Still haven't figured out prior year taxes unrelated to current year items is not current revenue eh?
 
Well, your REPUBLICAN FEMALE COMPTROLLER suggests otherwise. Unless you can't tell the difference between 2008-2009 fiscal year from 2009-2010 fiscal year.



Actually, we are more interested in getting a few laughs at your expense. Your inability to refute anything anyone here has said, not to mention your lack of maturity in admitting you are wrong on a wide variety of subjects, including calling an obviously female comptroller a "HE" is pretty funny.

Still haven't figured out prior year taxes unrelated to current year items is not current revenue eh?

Want some real laughs, how about comparing your state's economic's results to mine?

Interesting that you would ignore that I quoted Susan Combs in my post yet only focused on my mistake of calling her a him by mistake as you ignored the content of HER comments.

Apparently you are incapable of understanding how to read the economic results of the state of TX and compare those against the rest of the nation.

Obviously you are more interested in making me the issue vs the empty suit in the WH. Carry on
 
Want some real laughs, how about comparing your state's economic's results to mine?

Nice fallacy. The issue here is your complete failure to get any facts correct.

Interesting that you would ignore that I quoted Susan Combs in my post

O'rly?

If you don't want me to call you a liar, stop lying.

Notice this post where I directly addressed your alleged quotes:
http://www.debatepolitics.com/news-2-0/65032-obama-state-union-81.html#post1058579677

Or this one for that matter:
http://www.debatepolitics.com/news-2-0/65032-obama-state-union-81.html#post1058579752

The fact that you quoted me here:http://www.debatepolitics.com/news-2-0/65032-obama-state-union-81.html#post1058580129

In that post where I addressed and showed how her quote was out of date shows you in fact saw me address her quotes. Therefore you know that I did not ignore the quote you posted

Accusing me of ignoring her quote after you quoted a post of mine addressing her quote makes you a liar.

yet only focused on my mistake of calling her a him by mistake as you ignored the content of HER comments.

Seriously? You acknowledge my post where I addressed that quote and accuse me of ignoring her quote? Do you even read what you write before you post?

And yes, you did totally screw up the gender.

Apparently you are incapable of understanding how to read the economic results of the state of TX and compare those against the rest of the nation.

Said the one who thinks Texas has a surplus despite the Comptroller this month stating that a $11 billion deficit is not unreasonable.

Apparently you think a year old statement is more valid then a statement made this month about the current fiscal budgetary gap Texas faces.

Navy pride took years for people to consider him a joke. You're doing it in a few months.

Obviously you are more interested in making me the issue vs the empty suit in the WH. Carry on

What is more amusing is your complete failure on everything.

Still not admitting your bat**** argument about the rainy day fund is wrong eh?
 
Now you want to address the charges by Sen. Hutchinson that Perry, "We now learn that Texas used a higher percentage of federal money – some $12.1 billion — to close its structural deficit than any other state. This is how our state budget was balanced."

Notice how he changes the subject. He knows he cannot win the surplus/deficit crackpot argument he made and he's pretending his bat**** rainy day argument doesn't exist. Look at his last post to me. He accuses me of not addressing her quote and then in the very same post acknowledges my post where I addressed her quote. Wow. Compulsive lying anyone?

So rather then address how he's totally screwed his arguments up, he's now arguing that Texas is better then the rest of the country rather then own up to the obvious fact he screwed up a large number of items in this thread. Notice he's not even acknowledge that U6 went down. He's pretending U6 doesn't even exist.
 
Notice how he changes the subject. He knows he cannot win the surplus/deficit crackpot argument he made and he's pretending his bat**** rainy day argument doesn't exist. Look at his last post to me. He accuses me of not addressing her quote and then in the very same post acknowledges my post where I addressed her quote. Wow. Compulsive lying anyone?

So rather then address how he's totally screwed his arguments up, he's now arguing that Texas is better then the rest of the country rather then own up to the obvious fact he screwed up a large number of items in this thread. Notice he's not even acknowledge that U6 went down. He's pretending U6 doesn't even exist.

Yup, and I find it exceedingly ironic that Texas (the state that threatened to secede) used a larger share of the stimulus to fund their structural deficit than any other state in the union!
 
Yup, and I find it exceedingly ironic that Texas (the state that threatened to secede) used a larger share of the stimulus to fund their structural deficit than any other state in the union!

It's also ironic that Texas has been running deficits for at least four years without its rainy day fund. It's pretty clear Conservative has no understanding of finance, accounting or basic math. He's little more then a Republican propaganda machine. Apparently calling me a liberal means that his own state comptroller is wrong about her predictions of a large state deficit.

And I don't blame Governor Perry for taking the money. Unlike Conservative, he actually has something to take care of. Some of us actually have jobs. There's a reason there's a 9+ hour gap of where I don't post. It's called a job.
 
Nice fallacy. The issue here is your complete failure to get any facts correct.



O'rly?

If you don't want me to call you a liar, stop lying.

Notice this post where I directly addressed your alleged quotes:
http://www.debatepolitics.com/news-2-0/65032-obama-state-union-81.html#post1058579677

Or this one for that matter:
http://www.debatepolitics.com/news-2-0/65032-obama-state-union-81.html#post1058579752

The fact that you quoted me here:http://www.debatepolitics.com/news-2-0/65032-obama-state-union-81.html#post1058580129

In that post where I addressed and showed how her quote was out of date shows you in fact saw me address her quotes. Therefore you know that I did not ignore the quote you posted

Accusing me of ignoring her quote after you quoted a post of mine addressing her quote makes you a liar.



Seriously? You acknowledge my post where I addressed that quote and accuse me of ignoring her quote? Do you even read what you write before you post?

And yes, you did totally screw up the gender.



Said the one who thinks Texas has a surplus despite the Comptroller this month stating that a $11 billion deficit is not unreasonable.

Apparently you think a year old statement is more valid then a statement made this month about the current fiscal budgetary gap Texas faces.

Navy pride took years for people to consider him a joke. You're doing it in a few months.



What is more amusing is your complete failure on everything.

Still not admitting your bat**** argument about the rainy day fund is wrong eh?

OC, stop acting like a child and grow up. A gap if not closed becomes an official budget deficit which is in violation of the TX Constitution. You haven't a clue what you are talking about but it doesn't stop you from talking. You are indeed a legend in your own mind.

I brought up TX in this thread because it is faring better than most every state in the country because of the pro business, pro growth economic policy it has. You could learn something from this state but instead choose to ignore what is actually going on in this state. Businesses are moving to this state, there is population growth in this state, and instead of learning from this state, you and others continue to want to attack it and anyone else that promotes it. :2wave::2wave:
 
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It's also ironic that Texas has been running deficits for at least four years without its rainy day fund. It's pretty clear Conservative has no understanding of finance, accounting or basic math. He's little more then a Republican propaganda machine. Apparently calling me a liberal means that his own state comptroller is wrong about her predictions of a large state deficit.

And I don't blame Governor Perry for taking the money. Unlike Conservative, he actually has something to take care of. Some of us actually have jobs. There's a reason there's a 9+ hour gap of where I don't post. It's called a job.

LOL, talk about speculation, you mean like calling me a kid? Now I don't have a job and have a poor financial understanding? Now that is funny but rather than give you my resume, I, like many others here who ignore you, will just continue to laugh at you.

Interesting that we are in the midst of an election in TX and Perry has been running ads about a surplus and none of his opponents have countered that claim. Hmmm, wonder why? Could it be that there is a budget surplus in the state? Naw, that can't be right because OC says there isn't one and because a budget gap is called an end of the year budget deficit which of course it isn't.

TX had a shortfall as it is being hurt by the Obama economy but that shortfall(gap) was covered before the books were closed for the end of the biennium. TX used stimulus money instead of the "rainy day" fund which it continues to hold in reserve. I suggest you find out the definition of a rainy day fund and just a hint, it has nothing to do with the weather.

There is a whole different thread regarding Republican Hypocrisy that covers the stimulus money but this is way off base as to the topic of this thread.

I brought up TX because it is a state that has a Republican Governor, two Republican Senators, a Republican legislature, and one that voted by over 1 million votes against Obama. TX got it right in the last election and is getting it right today. It is faring better than most of the other states in the nation and better than all of the larger states in the nation without a state income tax. Maybe Obama ought to find out why?
 
Yup, and I find it exceedingly ironic that Texas (the state that threatened to secede) used a larger share of the stimulus to fund their structural deficit than any other state in the union!

I find it exceedingly ironic that you continue to cheerlead OC and never get the actual facts regarding the comments about succession. Why don't you find out where the stimulus funds went and what they covered?

Instead of bashing the state why don't you find out what the state is doing well and copy it for your state? Why don't you find out why the State of TX is able to do what other states cannot do without a state income tax? Why don't you find out why businesses are moving to TX, doctors are relocating to TX, and the population is growing in TX instead of attacking me over pointing out the successes in TX?
 
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