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Obama State of the Union

Thats why only 480,000 newly laid off? That is better? Tell that to those laid off and those who have run out of unemployment benefits.

Still don't understand the difference between jobless claims and unemployment do you?

If I wait a month to file for claims, has my job been cut this month?

You fail to realize that initial =/= newly laid off.
 
Still don't understand the difference between jobless claims and unemployment do you?

If I wait a month to file for claims, has my job been cut this month?

You fail to realize that initial =/= newly laid off.

Nice spin to try and justify that Obama has not failed at creating jobs.
 
Well, I've given up all hope you can debate honestly.

Did I say the number was good? No. But a decline is good news.

Or maybe you think that increasing unemployment is good news and that declining unemployment is bad.

I believe that decreasing unemployment is a good thing. Now you seem to think otherwise.

Welcome to Conservative's world: Where a decline in unemployment is bad news. Fewer people being laid off is BAD. More jobs is BAD.

I believe that conservative would like to see our country fail if it takes this country's president with it.
 
obvious Child;1058572690]Well, I've given up all hope you can debate honestly.

Debate honestly? You never had any desire to debate honestly or you would be talking in your condescending tone and wouldn't ignore all the facts including the millions of jobs lost since this President signed a stimulus plan that was supposed to keep unemployment below 8%. We now know that was just another lie

Did I say the number was good? No. But a decline is good news.

A decline in unemployment normally is good news but make work jobs at taxpayer expense shows that decline at what it really is, a mirage.

Or maybe you think that increasing unemployment is good news and that declining unemployment is bad.

Real employment in the private sector is what is good. Show me that is happening.

I believe that decreasing unemployment is a good thing. Now you seem to think otherwise.

Meaningful employment is a good thing, make work jobs isn't

Welcome to Conservative's world: Where a decline in unemployment is bad news. Fewer people being laid off is BAD. More jobs is BAD.

Welcome to OC's world of distortion and diversion. The touting of the 20,000 job loss as a victory and lower unemployment ignores the discouraged and those that dropped out of the job market. Somehow that is supposed to be viewed positively.
 
I believe that conservative would like to see our country fail if it takes this country's president with it.

This country wasn't built on Obama principles therefore he is failing and taking the country with him. Only a naive individual would go over the cliff with someone doing that and call it patriotic.
 
This country wasn't built on Obama principles therefore he is failing and taking the country with him. Only a naive individual would go over the cliff with someone doing that and call it patriotic.

Being president is not patiotiic to your way of thinking.

You ought to move to texas then until they secede from the union.

Using your logic you must think it is cool when people in airplanes crash into government buildings.
 
Being president is not patiotiic to your way of thinking.

You ought to move to texas then until they secede from the union.

Using your logic you must think it is cool when people in airplanes crash into government buildings.

I live in TX where we have a budget surplus and no state income taxes. I do not propose seceding from the union but I do propose fiscal responsibility, free enterprise, and capitalism something that Obama doesn't understand but TX does.

You seem to think it is patriotic to increase the size of the Federal Govt. and create the debt that Obama is creating. I don't.
 
I believe that conservative would like to see our country fail if it takes this country's president with it.

No just some of his policies should fail. I seen a bumper sticker today that said

IMPEACH OBAMA
 
I seen a bumper sticker today that said

IMPEACH OBAMA

Popeye the Sailor Man ~ "I can read readin' but I can't read writing.. .. this writin's written rotten if ya ask me..."
 
I believe that conservative would like to see our country fail if it takes this country's president with it.

Well, that's partially because Conservative is kid who's being fully supported by his parents and hasn't earned a dollar in wages in his life. Me, however, would love to see the economy pick up. Then my firm would get more business, my job would be more secure and there will be more money for bonuses and pay raises. Hell, they may even offer subsidized blackberries to everyone in the firm if we get enough business!

People who'd rather watch the economy tank because it brings down Obama don't work for their money. Case in point: Conservative.
 
Debate honestly?

Said the one who relies upon lies and insults. Still pretending you never argued that I said beck lost Fox money? :2wave:

Unlike you, I can actually back up my claims. You just throw them out there only to be abandoned.

You never had any desire to debate honestly or you would be talking in your condescending tone and wouldn't ignore all the facts

Said the one who treated everyone who argued various factors influence tax revenues as if they were retarded. How many warnings did you get in that thread? 15? 20? Still haven't figured out what linear regression is have you?

Pot, meet kettle.

including the millions of jobs lost since this President signed a stimulus plan that was supposed to keep unemployment below 8%. We now know that was just another lie

Okay genius, do you think that without the spending unemployment would be higher or lower?

A decline in unemployment normally is good news but make work jobs at taxpayer expense shows that decline at what it really is, a mirage.

So when Reagan did it, that was wrong too? :2wave: Let's see just how high up the hypocrisy meter you can go?

Tell me, doing nothing at tax payer's expense is okay too?

Real employment in the private sector is what is good. Show me that is happening.

So now you change your argument.

Meaningful employment is a good thing, make work jobs isn't

So construction isn't meaningful?

Welcome to OC's world of distortion and diversion. The touting of the 20,000 job loss as a victory and lower unemployment ignores the discouraged and those that dropped out of the job market. Somehow that is supposed to be viewed positively.

Which proves my point about you being dishonest. 20,000 fewer job losses from 655,000 is good news. And U6, which you seem extremely intent upon pretending to not exist despite you bashing Obama on before, has come down. The broadest measure of unemployment has declined and you consider that BAD.

Welcome to Conservative's world: where increasing payrolls are BAD.
 
I live in TX where we have a budget surplus

You must not read your own local paper.

Budget shortfall looms large over governor's race | Texas Legislature | News from Fort W...
Austin news, sports, weather, Longhorns, business | Statesman.com

AUSTIN -- Regardless of the outcome of the 2010 elections, whoever winds up in the governor's office next year will confront a monumental task as lawmakers strive to overcome a projected budget shortfall of at least $10 billion in a struggling economy.

Or have you completely confused the terms "surplus" and "shortfall?"

Huh. House of cards from which you argue.
 
You must not read your own local paper.

Budget shortfall looms large over governor's race | Texas Legislature | News from Fort W...
Austin news, sports, weather, Longhorns, business | Statesman.com



Or have you completely confused the terms "surplus" and "shortfall?"

Huh. House of cards from which you argue.

I believe the one that is confused is you but that doesn't stop you from being condescending and wrong.

PolitiFact | Perry says Texas has a surplus in billions

TX however is now being hurt by the Obama economy just like every other state. TX has a part time legislature and no state income taxes yet is lagging behind other states in how badly they are being hurt by the recession.
 
Well, that's partially because Conservative is kid who's being fully supported by his parents and hasn't earned a dollar in wages in his life. Me, however, would love to see the economy pick up. Then my firm would get more business, my job would be more secure and there will be more money for bonuses and pay raises. Hell, they may even offer subsidized blackberries to everyone in the firm if we get enough business!

People who'd rather watch the economy tank because it brings down Obama don't work for their money. Case in point: Conservative.

Why don't you grow up? My grandkids will love hearing that I am a kid just like them.

To believe I want the economy to tank to bring down Obama is nothing more than a typical lie which you are good at. The economy IS tanking however because of Obama. Had Obama put the right economic plan in place I would have supported it. Instead he has grown the size of govt. through a stimulus plan that has stimulated nothing but pet Democratic constituent groups.
 
You must not read your own local paper.

Budget shortfall looms large over governor's race | Texas Legislature | News from Fort W...
Austin news, sports, weather, Longhorns, business | Statesman.com



Or have you completely confused the terms "surplus" and "shortfall?"

Huh. House of cards from which you argue.

Suggest you learn what the word projected means. TX Legislature meets every two years and it is two year budget that they put together. So far TX has a surplus but if the Obama economy continues to tank the state will have a deficit and will have to raise income OR cut spending. That isn't the case right now.
 
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Just think how much worse shape Texas would be in without the $17 billion dollars they were awarded under the Stimulus funding. I guess they decided to wait till they've spent the federal stimulus money to secede. :2razz:

American Recovery and Reinvestment Act: A Texas Eye on the Dollars

Yep, TX is a hellhole, no state income taxes, the number one state in the nation in job creation, five of the top housing markets in the nation yet you would have Perry turn down the stimulus money that Congress passed and the President signed so that Obama can use that money elsewhere?

Brilliant comment on your part and totally ignores the reality. Why would TX turn down the money? Is that what you would do as Governor knowing that the money isn't going back to pay down the debt if you didn't take it?

Notice what Obama is doing with the TARP payback. Is that money going to pay down the debt that TARP created? No, Obama is going to use it for more govt. spending.
 
Why would TX turn down the money?

Right, typical hypocritical position of the Republicans regarding the stimulus money. They whine and moan about it while holding out their hand.

Got it!

In the case of Texas, instead of projecting a $10 billion dollar shortfall, they would be projecting a $27 billion dollar shortfall, or cutting planned projects, services and state jobs.
 
I believe the one that is confused is you but that doesn't stop you from being condescending and wrong.

Clearly you didn't read your own articles, but thanks for admitting you don't know what the term "surplus" means.

John O’Brien, director of the Legislative Budget Board, which advises legislators on budget matters, recently estimated that the current pace of spending will exceed incoming revenue by $11 billion by the time the 2012 fiscal year begins on Sept. 1, 2011.

It's amusing how you are claiming a rainy day fund, much of which was funded by prior year taxes counts as an annual budgetary surplus for the current fiscal year.

According to your logic, Texas, which faces a budgetary deficit of $10 billion has a surplus because a rainy day fund has $8.2 billion in it. Therefore, all states who are facing budgetary deficits actually have surpluses if their rainy day funds have a penny or more according to you.

Clearly, you have no understanding of basic finance or accounting.

Note this:

Suggest you learn what the word projected means. TX Legislature meets every two years and it is two year budget that they put together.

Except that the projection of $10 billion deficit is for just next year. Or you are again not reading your own articles?

Btw, your own state comptroller, who's a Republican said this: "We believe that unemployment bottomed out in September."

Texas comptroller: Budget shortfall outlook overblown | News for Dallas, Texas | Dallas Morning News | Latest News

By the way, which is a larger number, $10 billion or $8.2 billion? If Texas took its entire rainy day fund to plug the hole, it would still be $1.8 billion in the hole.

I find it amusing how you think you are smarter but you can't even get basic math correct.

Why don't you grow up? My grandkids will love hearing that I am a kid just like them.

You act like one. And you do want the economy to tank to take down Obama. You are outright refusing to address how U6 went down because it blows your arguments out of the water. Hell, you are going out of your way to pretend U6 doesn't exist anymore despite you attacking Obama on it before!

Perhaps when you finally start earning money for yourself you'd figure it out.
 
the number one state in the nation in job creation

O'rly?

Where are the Jobs? | Indeed.com

five of the top housing markets in the nation

I see the ability to count eludes you:
America's Best Housing Markets - 10. Austin-Round Rock, Texas - Forbes.com

Notice what Obama is doing with the TARP payback. Is that money going to pay down the debt that TARP created? No, Obama is going to use it for more govt. spending.

Yeah, like paying down the debt. :2wave:

White House Aims to Cut Deficit With TARP Cash - WSJ.com

I believe we should start calling you the new Navy Pride. You get everything wrong.
 
Right, typical hypocritical position of the Republicans regarding the stimulus money. They whine and moan about it while holding out their hand.

Got it!

In the case of Texas, instead of projecting a $10 billion dollar shortfall, they would be projecting a $27 billion dollar shortfall, or cutting planned projects, services and state jobs.

Projections? You mean like the projected 1.6 trillion dollar deficit this fiscal year in the OBAMA Budget?

Why don't you address the real issue here, the failure of the Obama stimulus plan to stimulate anything but the deficit and pet Democrat constituents. Where are the jobs?
 
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