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Obama State of the Union

That is a lie, you ignore actual data because it doesn't fit with your ideology and biased, partisan viewpoint.

Its right there on video for all to see! You can be dishonest with yourself if you choose, but it doesn't work against others when we have actual visual proof!
 
Its right there on video for all to see! You can be dishonest with yourself if you choose, but it doesn't work against others when we have actual visual proof!

Where are the jobs, over 4 million lost to date and millions have dropped out of the job market after 787 billion stimulus plan passed. it had to be passed to keep unemployment from exceeding 8%, how is that working out for the millions that are no longer in the market for a job?
 
It saved untold number of jobs throughout the country, as most of the Republicans bragged about on how much the stimulus funding would help their states. Without it, most of the states would have had to lay off police, firefighters,teachers and other government workers. That is why they are smiling so big with those federal checks, as seen below:

Thats crap. You can't prove a saved jobs so it is Obama lies and propaganda.
 
Hi Jiyuu! Hope you are doing well! Police, firefighters, teachers, and other city workers are not middle class hardworking workers? What about the construction workers hired for all the infrastructure jobs funded by the stimulus money?

At the cost of hundreds of thousands of dollars per job?
 
Its right there on video for all to see! You can be dishonest with yourself if you choose, but it doesn't work against others when we have actual visual proof!

Except the inflated numbers Obama puts out keep being caught as lies.
 
Where are the jobs, over 4 million lost to date and millions have dropped out of the job market after 787 billion stimulus plan passed. it had to be passed to keep unemployment from exceeding 8%, how is that working out for the millions that are no longer in the market for a job?

Without the stimulus we could be facing 8 million jobs lost! We could be in another depression. That is what you do not seem to get.

I am frankly amazed that Obama could reverse the trend in just one year! :sun
 
Except the inflated numbers Obama puts out keep being caught as lies.

There are no numbers in the video, except all the zeros on the checks the Republicans are smiling their ass off over! ;)
 
At the cost of hundreds of thousands of dollars per job?

If you subtract the infrastructure value built with those jobs.
 
Thats crap. You can't prove a saved jobs so it is Obama lies and propaganda.

Are you trying to assert that states were not facing budget shortfalls due to the recession?
 
Without the stimulus we could be facing 8 million jobs lost! We could be in another depression. That is what you do not seem to get.

I am frankly amazed that Obama could reverse the trend in just one year! :sun

Thats all BS talking points and propaganda.

This recession is more like the one during Carter, Reagan than the great depression.

Keep spewing Obama's garbage but most of us know better.
 
There are no numbers in the video, except all the zeros on the checks the Republicans are smiling their ass off over! ;)

Along with the unions and the democrats. It means nothing.

I am against entitlements yet my son receives SSI and medicaid I guess in your eyes I am a hypocrite.
 
Without the stimulus we could be facing 8 million jobs lost! We could be in another depression. That is what you do not seem to get.

I am frankly amazed that Obama could reverse the trend in just one year! :sun

That is your opinion, prove it? It doesn't seem to take a lot of effort to amaze you especially when it comes to partisan leftwing rhetoric.

State's fund police and fire departments, not the Federal govt. States fund school teachers, not the Federal Govt. Your ignorance of the Federal and State govermment is staggering.
 
If you subtract the infrastructure value built with those jobs.

Thats crap.Nice spin but it does not fly.


Stimulus Transportation Jobs Cost $161,544 Each - Nashville News Story - WSMV Nashville

White House Inflates Stimulus Job Creation With Accounting Gimmicks


The Obama administration is changing the way it counts jobs created or saved by stimulus spending in a way that will make the programs look far more successful.

Under the old rules, only jobs that were actually newly created or not lost because of stimulus money were counted. Now the administration plans to count all jobs for projects funded by stimulus money—even if that job already existed and the person was never in danger of losing the job.

The changes were made in a little noticed memo sent to federal agencies by OMB director Peter Orszag, according to a new report from ProPublica.

The OMB says the changes were made to clear up confusion about how to count the jobs. Employers were sometimes confused about how to account for jobs, resulting in inaccurate data. California, for instance, claimed that stimulus spending had saved 18,000 corrections department jobs—when only 5,000 were scheduled to be cut. Under the new system, all of those jobs could be counted as products of the stimulus.

Similarly, pay raises can count as stimulus jobs. Chrysler reported last year that a $53 million government contract to build 3,000 vehicles created no jobs because it used existing workers to fill the order. Under the new accounting, those jobs would count as being created by the stimulus plan.
 
Are you trying to assert that states were not facing budget shortfalls due to the recession?

So what? There is no proof that left alone they would not have figured out a way to fix it.

Losing 4 million jobs does not show me that it helped.
 
Where are the jobs, over 4 million lost to date and millions have dropped out of the job market after 787 billion stimulus plan passed. it had to be passed to keep unemployment from exceeding 8%, how is that working out for the millions that are no longer in the market for a job?

That is happening all over the world. Are you going to blame Obama for something crooked fat cat capitalists did?
 
Thats crap.Nice spin but it does not fly.


Stimulus Transportation Jobs Cost $161,544 Each - Nashville News Story - WSMV Nashville

White House Inflates Stimulus Job Creation With Accounting Gimmicks


The Obama administration is changing the way it counts jobs created or saved by stimulus spending in a way that will make the programs look far more successful.

Under the old rules, only jobs that were actually newly created or not lost because of stimulus money were counted. Now the administration plans to count all jobs for projects funded by stimulus money—even if that job already existed and the person was never in danger of losing the job.

The changes were made in a little noticed memo sent to federal agencies by OMB director Peter Orszag, according to a new report from ProPublica.

The OMB says the changes were made to clear up confusion about how to count the jobs. Employers were sometimes confused about how to account for jobs, resulting in inaccurate data. California, for instance, claimed that stimulus spending had saved 18,000 corrections department jobs—when only 5,000 were scheduled to be cut. Under the new system, all of those jobs could be counted as products of the stimulus.

Similarly, pay raises can count as stimulus jobs. Chrysler reported last year that a $53 million government contract to build 3,000 vehicles created no jobs because it used existing workers to fill the order. Under the new accounting, those jobs would count as being created by the stimulus plan.

So, would you prefer that they use a chinese abacus :smileyfart
 
That is your opinion, prove it? It doesn't seem to take a lot of effort to amaze you especially when it comes to partisan leftwing rhetoric.

State's fund police and fire departments, not the Federal govt. States fund school teachers, not the Federal Govt. Your ignorance of the Federal and State govermment is staggering.

Haven't you used that "your ignorance is staggering" crap a bit much, pee wee?
 
That is happening all over the world. Are you going to blame Obama for something crooked fat cat capitalists did?

Yep, he told us that the stimulus plan had to be passed immediately to keep the unemployment rate at 8%. 800 billion later the unemployment rate has risen with oave 15 million now unemployed and millions others not counted and out of the work force. That is hope and change only a true liberal can support.
 
Haven't you used that "your ignorance is staggering" crap a bit much, pee wee?

I use it often when talking to mental midgets. It may be too big of a word for some to understand however. Seems to even confuse you.
 
So, would you prefer that they use a chinese abacus :smileyfart

It would be refreshing for our leftwing socialists to actually admit what we all know, they don't have a clue how to stimulate and grow the economy. None have held a real job and thus don't understand business. looks like we have a lot of empty suits in the WH that get their support from people like you.
 
This recession is more like the one during Carter, Reagan than the great depression.

Because effective emergency action was taken by this president.
 
Because effective emergency action was taken by this president.

Doesn't it make you question what "your" President did while in the Senate in a Congress controlled by the Democrats? We don't elect a King and to continue to blame Bush and ignore what little Obama has done is quite telling.
 
Along with the unions and the democrats. It means nothing.

I am against entitlements yet my son receives SSI and medicaid I guess in your eyes I am a hypocrite.

The stimulus was not an entitlement, it was to stimulate job creation and retention in states with a budget shortfall and a backlog of infrastructure needs.
 
That is your opinion, prove it? It doesn't seem to take a lot of effort to amaze you especially when it comes to partisan leftwing rhetoric.

Are we in a depression? No, there is your proof. If you wish to prove that jobs were not created and retained, knock yourself out!

State's fund police and fire departments, not the Federal govt. States fund school teachers, not the Federal Govt. Your ignorance of the Federal and State govermment is staggering.

We needed to spend money to stimulate the economy, so it made perfect sense to also assist the states with their budget shortfalls to create and retain jobs with needed infrastructure needs at the same time.

Your posts are very angry! Is there a medical reason for that?
 
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