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Obama State of the Union

Nixon is out of office and Dead. Can't let it go, can you? Want to start a Nixon thread, go for it, but this thread is about Obama. You certainly do have a very selective memory that somehow focuses on the past and ignores the present.

Oh, anybody who is dead is not eligible for debate? Is that a new rule you just made up?
 
Secret bombing of cambodia. Lots more in the nixon tapes. Why do you think ford pardoned him/ Even his vice president was the biggest crook in american history. Don't forget about nixon's McCarthy days. He made a rep chasing invisible commies and then opened up trade with communist china.

I don't team up with anybody. Don't need to. When you have the whole marching band telling one individual they are out of step, I hardly call that teaming up on somebody.

There is right and there is wrong. I just call it like I see it. I wouldn't have any problem buying any one of you a beer or takking you to the lake fishing. It is not my intention to spead the seeds of discord and hatred. But, neither will I shy away from those that do. Liberal, conservative. It don't matter to me. Right is right and wrong is wrong. And I don't need to provide a link to convince me of that.
 
Not my battle. I was merely commenting to LA that assuming to "know it all" is somewhat symptomatic to the more extreme rightists. But, I never considered you to be one of those guys. You and I agree on a lot more than we disagree on. But I do see your opinions pretty much falling down the party line regardless of their validity, on more occassions than not.

I have no party line as I dislike today's Republican Party ALMOST as much as I dislike today's Democratic Party. I grew up a Democrat but grew out of it. Today I vote for the candidate closest to my point of view realizing that I will never get the perfect candidate unless I run and then I won't be perfect to others.

It serves no purpose to continue to relive the past because no one can change it. One however can change the present and the future. What is happening right now is a travisty but too many want to ignore that and instead distort the past.

I got exactly who I voted for with Reagan and Bush and the country is getting exactly who I told them they would get with Obama. The results being generated are being ignored and those results are doing more harm to this country than anything Reagan or Bush ever did.
 
I have no party line as I dislike today's Republican Party ALMOST as much as I dislike today's Democratic Party. I grew up a Democrat but grew out of it. Today I vote for the candidate closest to my point of view realizing that I will never get the perfect candidate unless I run and then I won't be perfect to others.

It serves no purpose to continue to relive the past because no one can change it. One however can change the present and the future. What is happening right now is a travisty but too many want to ignore that and instead distort the past.

I got exactly who I voted for with Reagan and Bush and the country is getting exactly who I told them they would get with Obama. The results being generated are being ignored and those results are doing more harm to this country than anything Reagan or Bush ever did.

THAT'S why I have so much respect for you. I hope some of these other, so called, "conservatives" around here take a lesson from you.

I suppose it's all about just a different point of view. True, we should stay in the here and now as often as we can.

But we differ on Obama vs. Bush. Even though I didn't support Obama, he has yet shown himself to me to be nearly as destructive to our nation as Bush was. Give him time though. I'm sure given the oppertunity he will at least come close.
 
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Oh, anybody who is dead is not eligible for debate? Is that a new rule you just made up?

Nixon is certainly subject to debate so why don't you start a Nixon thread. Let me know where it is and I will be there to discuss whatever issues you want. The problem is today, not what happened in the 70's. Pointing out bad behavior in the past doesn't justify bad behavior today.
 
Captain America;1058548408]THAT'S why I have so much respect for you. I hope some of these other, so called, "conservatives" around here take a lesson from you.

Thank for the compliment, I am hardly a Republican these days but I am a conservative and make no apology for that


But we differ on Obama vs. Bush. Even though I didn't support Obama, he has yet shown himself to me to be nearly as destructive to our nation as Bush was. Give him time though. I'm sure given the oppertunity he will at least come close

I am afraid that Obama given more time will destroy the foundation upon which this country was built. I don't see that same distruction that you claim with Bush and the economic numbers don't show the destruction either. Upon what are you making that statement? There are billboards popping up around the nation with a picture of Bush and the statement, "Do you miss me yet?"

The media did their best to destroy a "good" man and distorted his record. I learned something from Reagan that every American should pay attention to, "Trust but verify" and that is what I do when I am given distortions by liberals or conservatives. Some of the debt Bush created he did not control, i.e. 9/11, Hurricanes Katrina, Ike, and Floyd
 
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Hows that hope and change working out for you?

Great, we are no longer sliding into a depression, the troops are being withdrawn from Iraq, he has created more green jobs and done more to decrease global warming than any president in history, has announced he will discontinue the Bush tax cuts, passed a PAYGO bill to prevent further National debt, putting new regulations on big banks, and requiring them to pay fees for the repayment of the money we loaned to them.

It is more than I expected him to do in just his first year in office and I am excited at what else he will accomplish in his 7 years remaining in office!!!
 
Great, we are no longer sliding into a depression, the troops are being withdrawn from Iraq, he has created more green jobs and done more to decrease global warming than any president in history, has announced he will discontinue the Bush tax cuts, passed a PAYGO bill to prevent further National debt, putting new regulations on big banks, and requiring them to pay fees for the repayment of the money we loaned to them.

It is more than I expected him to do in just his first year in office and I am excited at what else he will accomplish in his 7 years remaining in office!!!

"Feelings, all I have is feelings" should be your theme song. Prove what you say is true.

I am so happy for you although I doubt the 4 million people who have lost their job since January 2009 agree with you. I further doubt that the 3 trillion dollars added to the debt in just two years is something anyone is proud of so can't wait for Paygo to work.

As for Iraq, the Bush doctrine is working as implemented by the Bush Secretary of Defense.

Some people haven't a clue so I guess I can add you to that list.
 
"Feelings, all I have is feelings" should be your theme song. Prove what you say is true.

I am so happy for you although I doubt the 4 million people who have lost their job since January 2009 agree with you. I further doubt that the 3 trillion dollars added to the debt in just two years is something anyone is proud of so can't wait for Paygo to work.

As for Iraq, the Bush doctrine is working as implemented by the Bush Secretary of Defense.

Some people haven't a clue so I guess I can add you to that list.

Yeah, and I guess they finally found the weapons of mass destruction among the bloodied and crippled Iraqi children:roll: Mission accoimplished!:roll:

Too bad bush's proposal to privatize social security was not passed:roll:

The country would be in even greater shape than it is now:roll:
 
And he never will, facts are not his style. Much too stubborn they are!

How about giving me your definition of facts since BEA, BLS, and the U.S. Treasury data don't count. Looks to me like your personal opinions are considered facts.

I don't understand people like you and never will. You buy what you are told and ignore anything that contradicts your point of view thus you ignore it.

You make wild claims and accusations that you cannot back up factually and buy the rhetoric of the empty suit in the WH ignoring the damage he is doing to you and the country, but what the hell, you feel good. Carry on
 
LiberalAvenger;1058549180]Yeah, and I guess they finally found the weapons of mass destruction among the bloodied and crippled Iraqi children:roll: Mission accoimplished!:roll:

War is hell, always will be hell but the alternative to allowing Saddam Hussein to remain in power would have been much,much worse.

A lot of world leaders and U.S. politicians believed he had WMD but that was only one of the reasons to go to war in Iraq. Of course you have no interest in even reading the resolution.

Can you explain to me why our military still has the greatest respect for Bush and very little for Obama?

Too bad bush's proposal to privatize social security was not passed:roll:

Yes, I would love to have every dollar I put into SS over my 35 year working career back. That money put into a simple savings account would have made me millions. You simply don't have a clue.

The country would be in even greater shape than it is now:roll:
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I would take Bush back in a heartbeat. Billboards are being put up all over the country with a picture of Bush and the message "Miss me yet?" More and more are seeing eactly what Obama is doing and giving a resounding yes!!
 
LiberalAvenger;1058549180]Yeah, and I guess they finally found the weapons of mass destruction among the bloodied and crippled Iraqi children:roll: Mission accoimplished!:roll:

War is hell, always will be hell but the alternative to allowing Saddam Hussein to remain in power would have been much,much worse.

A lot of world leaders and U.S. politicians believed he had WMD but that was only one of the reasons to go to war in Iraq. Of course you have no interest in even reading the resolution.

Can you explain to me why our military still has the greatest respect for Bush and very little for Obama?

How do you know that the military has more respect for bush? Again because you say so?

BTW Obama pushed through a pay raise this year for the military. That should make you happy. SS did not get a cola this year. That should make you even happierabout Obama.

Didn't you hear, the market crashed and millions of americans lost thier pension funds because of it. Where have you been?



Yes, I would love to have every dollar I put into SS over my 35 year working career back. That money put into a simple savings account would have made me millions. You simply don't have a clue.

I would take Bush back in a heartbeat. Billboards are being put up all over the country with a picture of Bush and the message "Miss me yet?" More and more are seeing eactly what Obama is doing and giving a resounding yes!![/QUOTE]

Whoa! Billboards? I am really impressed!
 
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Prove what you say is true.

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CHART OF THE DAY: It's Official: Obama Is Creaming Bush When It Comes To Jobs


I further doubt that the 3 trillion dollars added to the debt in just two years

First off Obama has only been in office 1 year, not two.
Presidential Inauguration 2009 - A Guide to Inauguration Events in Washington, DC

The National debt when he walked in the white house was $10.7 trillion.
PolitiFact | $5 trillion added to national debt under Bush

The current debt is $12.35 trillion.
U.S. National Debt Clock

can't wait for Paygo to work.

Me either! To bad we didn't have it when Bush ran up $5 trillion in debt.
House sends debt limit increase, pay/go to White House (2/5/10) -- GovExec.com

As for Iraq, the Bush doctrine is working as implemented by the Bush Secretary of Defense.

Obama is the one withdrawing the troops. Bush is the one that stupidly sent them there.
U.S Troop Withdrawal From Iraq Begins | Trends Updates
 

Better tell it to BLS because obviously they got it wrong. 8 million jobs lost since the recession began in December 2007 with 4 million of those jobs lost since Janaury 2009


Obama had a 1.47 trillion deficit in Fiscal Year 2009, a projected deficit of 1.6 trillion in fiscal year 2010, and another 1.3 trillion in fiscal year 2011. Obama was in the Senate the last two years of Bush, voted for the spending, but apparently has nothing to do with the outcome. You really need to take a civics lesson.

The National debt when he walked in the white house was $10.7 trillion.
PolitiFact | $5 trillion added to national debt under Bush

The current debt is $12.35 trillion.
U.S. National Debt Clock

Yep, and "your" President has put Bush spending on steroids. 1.47 trillion in 2009, 1.6 trillion in 2010, and 1.3 trillion in 2011. See how good your math is as that adds up to more debt in 3 years than Bush had in 8 and almost triple Reagan's Debt. You must be so proud.



Obama is the one withdrawing the troops. Bush is the one that stupidly sent them there.
U.S Troop Withdrawal From Iraq Begins | Trends Updates[/url


I really don't expect intellectual honesty on your part but that is exactly the Bush doctrine, Iraqis stand up and the U.S. stands down. Who is the Obama Secretary of Defense and where did he come from? Bush won the war in Iraq and you can't stand it.

You are absolutely a lost cause, incapable of anything but partisan rhetoric that ignores actual conditions or facts that led to the results you want to give Obama credit for. Obviously you need Barack Obama. Good luck, you are going to need it.
 
Better tell it to BLS because obviously they got it wrong. 8 million jobs lost since the recession began in December 2007 with 4 million of those jobs lost since Janaury 2009

Obama had a 1.47 trillion deficit in Fiscal Year 2009, a projected deficit of 1.6 trillion in fiscal year 2010, and another 1.3 trillion in fiscal year 2011. Obama was in the Senate the last two years of Bush, voted for the spending, but apparently has nothing to do with the outcome. You really need to take a civics lesson.

Yep, and "your" President has put Bush spending on steroids. 1.47 trillion in 2009, 1.6 trillion in 2010, and 1.3 trillion in 2011. See how good your math is as that adds up to more debt in 3 years than Bush had in 8 and almost triple Reagan's Debt. You must be so proud.

I really don't expect intellectual honesty on your part but that is exactly the Bush doctrine, Iraqis stand up and the U.S. stands down. Who is the Obama Secretary of Defense and where did he come from? Bush won the war in Iraq and you can't stand it.

You are absolutely a lost cause, incapable of anything but partisan rhetoric that ignores actual conditions or facts that led to the results you want to give Obama credit for. Obviously you need Barack Obama. Good luck, you are going to need it.

Thanks for you opinion! If you can ever find facts to back it up, please let me know!
 
Actually, Obama has done nothing to accelerate troop withdrawal from the rate that Bush already planned; he is simply carrying out Bush's plans.

Bush only talked about withdrawing the troops. Obama is actually withdrawing the troops.
 
Bush only talked about withdrawing the troops. Obama is actually withdrawing the troops.

Again, you are wrong, though unless you're going to actually look at the facts I see no need to argue. Obama is withdrawing troops under the same schedule that Bush agreed on.
 
Again, you are wrong, though unless you're going to actually look at the facts I see no need to argue. Obama is withdrawing troops under the same schedule that Bush agreed on.

Again, Bush only talked about doing it, after stupidly sending troops there in the first place.

Obama is the one doing the withdrawal.

Bush will be remembered as starting a debt busting war and 7 year occupation of a country that never attacked us, and Obama will be remembered for putting an end to it. It is one of the things that help get him get reelected in 2012.
 
Thanks for you opinion! If you can ever find facts to back it up, please let me know!

Facts? Why post them, you ignore them. BLS.gov will give you those facts but they don't support your point of view so you don't care.

Obama signed a 787 billion dollar stimulus program that continued to raise unemployment yet you buy the Obama rhetoric and ignore the actual facts. Hard to deal with people like you who refuse to believe what is actually happening.

You are a perfect example of the problems we have with the education system in this country. It doesn't appear that you have a clue as to the role of the govt. and want it to be something it was never intended to be.
 
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