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Obama State of the Union

Presidential spanking being given from VA.

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zimmer said:
Presidential spanking being given from VA.

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At least he's better than that Jindal idiot that did the last one.

That was great comic relief.

Remember this:
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmNM0oj79t8"]YouTube- Bobby Jindal: Republican Response Speech Part One[/ame]
 
disneydude said:
Three things were really telling for me:

1. The first - Obama called for the large banks that used bailout money to give bonuses to executives to pay back the money before giving handouts to their CEO's.

The Democrats applauded.....the party of no...the party that never saw a corporate executive that it didn't want to give a payout to....sat on their ass.
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That's because the banks already paid it back. This isn't a matter of different opinions, it's a matter of fact. Obama is lying to your face and you're slurping it up.

But the government is projecting a $19 billion profit and perhaps more on the $245 billion lent to banks, through interest, dividends and the sale of warrants the government received as collateral.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/07/business/07tarp.html

Explain how a $120b tax on banks is designed to "recover" the money we gave the banks when the banks earned the government $19b+ in profit.

2. Immigration - Obama called for the strengthening of our borders.

The party of no....the party that LOVES the cheap labor that supports big business for low cost.....sat on their ass.
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Have you ever watched a SOTU before? The way it works is that the President's party applauds everything while the minority party only applauds things that they unequivocally support.

The conclude that that means that the Democrats want more strict immigration reform than the Republicans, you would have to have completely ignored the party platforms over the past decade.

3. Obama called for more prosecution of civil rights violators, equal pay for women and the end of Don't ask/Don't tell.

The party of no....the party that fights against equal rights for minorities....that fights against protection of rights for women and the party that seeks to keep gays as second class citizens.....sat on their ass.

Americans saw the clear and obvious difference between the two parties tonight.
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I'm sure you saw the difference, but I don't think that's due to any particular qualities of the speech.
 
RightinNYC said:
That's because the banks already paid it back. This isn't a matter of different opinions, it's a matter of fact. Obama is lying to your face and you're slurping it up.



http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/07/business/07tarp.html

Explain how a $120b tax on banks is designed to "recover" the money we gave the banks when the banks earned the government $19b+ in profit.



Have you ever watched a SOTU before? The way it works is that the President's party applauds everything while the minority party only applauds things that they unequivocally support.

The conclude that that means that the Democrats want more strict immigration reform than the Republicans, you would have to have completely ignored the party platforms over the past decade.




I'm sure you saw the difference, but I don't think that's due to any particular qualities of the speech.
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Of course I've seen many many SOTU speeches. Personally, I think the cheerleading is ridiculous.

the party in power always looks idiotic cheering practically everything that th President proposes...

However, I found it very telling, what the Republicans responded to and what they didn't. I said the same of the Democrats in past years.
 
What I found stupid was the fact that Biden kept nodding. STOP NODDING.

Also, am I the only one who noticed some strange movements made by the flag in the background?
 
RightinNYC said:
That's because the banks already paid it back. This isn't a matter of different opinions, it's a matter of fact. Obama is lying to your face and you're slurping it up.



http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/07/business/07tarp.html

Explain how a $120b tax on banks is designed to "recover" the money we gave the banks when the banks earned the government $19b+ in profit.
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I am not sure that they have paid it all back yet. Even your quote says it is "projected." Although, I am not sure what a tax will accomplish. I am sure they want to discourage the notion that banks will get a free bailout everytime they perform badly. Perhaps they are trying to minimize the moral hazard.
 
Obama was so boring! My Lord! He spent 70 minutes saying absolutely nothing of worth. Only someone who is politically brain-dead would intransigently hold onto a sinking ship -- liberalism and its idiotic policies -- instead of taking the lifeline and listening -- or even pretending to listen -- to the American people.

And the cheap shot at the Supreme Court for reading the Constitution correctly -- in a strange, rare event -- was indescribably partisan and most certainly not presidential.

Obama just doesn't have a clue. The Democratic Party is the political Titanic at this point; the most baffling thing, however, is that the liberals are either so married to their inane ideology that they don't mind committing political suicide in the process, or they simply don't have enough sense to jump into a lifeboat.

Take your pick. But in any event, The Democratic Party is toast come November.
 
disneydude said:
Of course I've seen many many SOTU speeches. Personally, I think the cheerleading is ridiculous.

the party in power always looks idiotic cheering practically everything that th President proposes...

However, I found it very telling, what the Republicans responded to and what they didn't. I said the same of the Democrats in past years.
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You "find it telling" that the Republicans did the exact same thing that the minority party does every single year? What about that is particularly "telling"?

drz-400 said:
I am not sure that they have paid it all back yet. Even your quote says it is "projected."
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The bulk of it has been paid back, and the government is preventing the last ones from paying it back yet. Regardless, the point is that the banks did not cost us $120b. Every time he says that, he's lying.

Although, I am not sure what a tax will accomplish. I am sure they want to discourage the notion that banks will get a free bailout everytime they perform badly. Perhaps they are trying to minimize the moral hazard.
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So he should say that. If the country thinks it's a good idea, it will support it. If not, he shouldn't be lying to drum up support for it.
 
Wow. That really sucked a lot more than I thought it would. Isn't Obama supposed to be a great orator?

Seriously, I could feel the partisan rays eminating from my T.V. He must have blamed Bush for something on 5 different occasions.


McDonnell's response was meh. Multiculti Brigade in the background was... interesting.
 
disneydude said:
Of course I've seen many many SOTU speeches. Personally, I think the cheerleading is ridiculous.

the party in power always looks idiotic cheering practically everything that th President proposes...

However, I found it very telling, what the Republicans responded to and what they didn't. I said the same of the Democrats in past years.
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Disney, for all the **** you talk to Navy Pride about things said in the past you'd think you wouldn't insert your foot into your mouth so far.

From just last year:

MC.no.spin said:
It's always fascinating to see the actual "Left Wing" refuse to clap when tougher laws on terrorists are put forward, less taxes are encouraged, better education statistics announced, that the surge IS working, and that we are intent on being victorious in Iraq.


:doh
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Its probably because its all propoganda and fodder. The fact that any Republican would clap shows how ignorant the vast majority of them are and how out of touch with reality they are....or maybe they are just trying to somehow try to salvage something out of their disasterous administration so that they don't all get voted out of office in the next 4 years....hmmmmm....somehow I think thats it.
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Funny, I don't see you calling Obama's statements propoganda and fodder

Don't see you saying Democrats are ignorant or out of touch with reality for simply clapping.

No comments of them trying to salvage a year of multiple failures or inability to get things passed

Hmm, didn't seem like you said "the same thing" last year at all. Seemed you excused the Dem's and insulted the reps for doing the very opposite of what you're complaining about now.

That was your only post on the subject. Contrary to criticisms for not clapping, I see you excusing it and attacking republicans.

The 2007 state of the union, you're only comment:

Navy Pride said:
Did anyone catch President Bush entering and leaving the state of the union speech? Kucinich, Jesses Jackson Jr., Sheila Jackson Lee and many other democrats all kiss asses........They could not get closer to the president......

HYPOCRITES!!!!
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Who is the hypocrite here? If they did not reach out to the President you and your right-wing radio heros (specifically Hannity here....where you got this talking point)...would have said that they were being distant and arrogant.

Geez....you can't win with you guys. You have something negative to say either way.
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Nope, doesn't look like you're doing "The same" with the democrats there.

The only other SOTU you commented on was 2006, and that was a comment of what you WANTED Bush to say, which was wanting him to say he made a mistake about iraq, he's pulling out of iraq, and he's rejecting the religious right.

Yeah, so um....could you point us to where you've " said the same of the Democrats in past years" cause the closest I found was you saying the EXACT opposite
 
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phildozer9121 said:
If the boot fits, wear it.
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You have got to be kidding me. It's been a goddamn year.

Did you blame Bill Clinton for 9/11? For that matter, did Bush?
 
RightinNYC said:
The bulk of it has been paid back, and the government is preventing the last ones from paying it back yet. Regardless, the point is that the banks did not cost us $120b. Every time he says that, he's lying.



So he should say that. If the country thinks it's a good idea, it will support it. If not, he shouldn't be lying to drum up support for it.
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I agree, he is trying to play the populust card and say we are "punishing" the banks. Of couse in a way we would be if we are giving them a tax to say don't let it happen again. By the way, your article does say in the last paragraph that the banks will pay back the remaining 175 billion by next year. So, he is not exactly lying in saying they have cost us that much, but leaving out that information that they are projected to make the taxpayers a profit might change the opinion of a lot of people. I don't know what you call that, perhaps arguing with half truths.
 
That had to be the worst State of the Union speech I have ever heard. Obama just gave another one of his empty campaign speeches. Utterly empty of content. What a clown. All he needed was to put on his clown suit and makeup and it would have been a consummate performance by the most accomplished con man in generations. Disgraceful!
 
drz-400 said:
I agree, he is trying to play the populust card and say we are "punishing" the banks. Of couse in a way we would be if we are giving them a tax to say don't let it happen again. By the way, your article does say in the last paragraph that the banks will pay back the remaining 175 billion by next year. So, he is not exactly lying in saying they have cost us that much, but leaving out that information that they are projected to make the taxpayers a profit might change the opinion of a lot of people. I don't know what you call that, perhaps arguing with half truths.
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Yes, but the bulk of what is left is either scheduled to be returned on particular payment structures or is in the form of warrants that the government owns. The fact that the government is still holding onto those doesn't mean that they don't have the money - they just haven't cashed it it yet.

Where Obama is getting the $120b figure from is when you add in all projected losses, regardless of whether they're due to the banks. That means he's trying to make the banks pay for the losses of GM, Chrysler, etc.
 
RightinNYC said:
Yes, but the bulk of what is left is either scheduled to be returned on particular payment structures or is in the form of warrants that the government owns. The fact that the government is still holding onto those doesn't mean that they don't have the money - they just haven't cashed it it yet.

Where Obama is getting the $120b figure from is when you add in all projected losses, regardless of whether they're due to the banks. That means he's trying to make the banks pay for the losses of GM, Chrysler, etc.
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Ok, well then he is lying.
 
ptif219 said:
Blame Bush you are not smart enough to know I am right. Then he showed it is about his power hunger. It was all about Obama.


Obama referred to himself over 100 times.

Breitbart.tv 132: The Number of Times Obama Refers to Himself in One Speech
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Last week in Michigan he said it 132 times...

He is very Lincoln-like.... not.

He fails at salesmanship 101; of course, as far as Presidents go he only has 8% free market participation in his life.
Other presidents were about 50%+.
During his short spell he disdained his free market work. It shows.

So, no wonder he (or his writers) know nothing about selling; the first rule being You, your and their being in the vocabulary as often as possible, and me, I, my as little as possible.

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Listening to it a second time... simply amazing.

Palin nailed it... he is lecturing... like we are children.

Interesting is during a focus group monitoring the speech, they found his claim that the economy being in recovery a huge oral feces.

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