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    Re: Obama State of the Union

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    It really serves no purpose to discuss issues with those that lack the basic understanding of debt and deficits nor how our economy works. Debt is cumulative and deficit is yearly. Bush inherited a 5.6 trillion debt and added 5 trillion to it. Included in that debt was the cost of 9/11, Hurricane's Katrina, Floyd, Rita, and Ike which is over a trillion of that debt. The cost of the wars were 100 billion per year according to the GAO so go back to school and get an education on how to do research. You now want to blame Bush for the debt he inherited?
    You just posted a load of s*** didnít you? Bush didnít pay a f***** bill in the eight years of his Presidency. He added more debt than any administrationÖ EVER. When he took office the national debt was a tad over five trillion dollars, when he and five deferments left , it was 11 and a half trillion dollars.

    Lets take Katrina as the starting point on this load of BS. According to Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell statement on Friday, February 27th, 2009 in a speech at the Conservative Political Action Conference Katrina cost $132 billion. Then you have Hurricane ike costing $22 Billion, Rita rings in at $11.3 billion. I saved the biggist load of s*** for desertÖ.Floyd dear old Floyd,made landfall in North Carolina on Thursday, September 16, 1999, 6:30am.Guess who was in the oval office chasing little fat interns around at that time?How on the hell can you can you say that $165 equls a half a trillinon? And as for as your BS on the cost of war, I got news for you once, the cost of Veterans benefits are factored you havenít touched anything yet. Forty years and Iím still sucking at the VA tit.



    That "Junior" Senator was running for President and that "junion" Senator was part of the Democrat Majority that controlled Congress. Congress is an equal branch of the govt. thus is responsible just like the President for any deficits. Please get a civics education.
    You still havenít explained why bush didnít use his veto for any legislation that he didnít approve of.



    LOL, nice revisionist history and again something that diverts from my post. what has the cost of the Medicare Part B program been? Not sure where you get your information but Moveon.org would be proud as most of the information you post is false.
    Iím pretty proud of my source and its not move-on can you say the same about yours? Can you show me any source that says that Medicare Part D was funded?


    Actually if I were you I would be embarrassed about posting lies, distortions, and diversions. Have you no pride?
    Hurricane Floyd.

    Stop making a fool out of yourself. BEA.govt, BLS.gov, and the U.S. Treasury site shows different data that yours and those are the official sites. You really need to get a clue.


    I suggest you actually get data from non partisan sites. It would make you look smarter than you do by posting the false information you are posting.

    Those waves you are posting are actually waves to all those brain cells that have left your head.
    Have you no pride, posting BS night and day?Check this fox link out

    Studies: Iraq War Will Cost $12 Billion a Month in 2008 - Politics | Republican Party | Democratic Party | Political Spectrum - FOXNews.com

    < The flow of blood may be ebbing, but the flood of money into the Iraq war is steadily rising, new analyses show.>

    In 2008, its sixth year, the war will cost approximately $12 billion a month, triple the "burn" rate of its earliest years, Nobel Prize-winning economist Joseph E. Stiglitz and co-author Linda J. Bilmes report in a new book.>
    And hereís the cherry on top of it for five- deferment Cheneyís old company (Halaburtin).


    < WASHINGTON ó The United States this year will have spent $100 billion on contractors in Iraq since the invasion in 2003, a milestone that reflects the Bush administrationís unprecedented level of dependence on private firms for help in the war, according to a government report to be released Tuesday. >
    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/12/wa...tors.html?_r=1
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    Re: Obama State of the Union

    donc;1058592449]You just posted a load of s*** didnít you? Bush didnít pay a f***** bill in the eight years of his Presidency. He added more debt than any administrationÖ EVER. When he took office the national debt was a tad over five trillion dollars, when he and five deferments left , it was 11 and a half trillion dollars.
    Wrong, but keep showing how misleading some people can be. Are you ever going to do any research? The Treasury is the keeper of the books and Bush took office with a 5.6 trillion and left at 10.6. Stop making a fool of yourself.

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    Lets take Katrina as the starting point on this load of BS. According to Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell statement on Friday, February 27th, 2009 in a speech at the Conservative Political Action Conference Katrina cost $132 billion. Then you have Hurricane ike costing $22 Billion, Rita rings in at $11.3 billion. I saved the biggist load of s*** for desertÖ.Floyd dear old Floyd,made landfall in North Carolina on Thursday, September 16, 1999, 6:30am.Guess who was in the oval office chasing little fat interns around at that time?How on the hell can you can you say that $165 equls a half a trillinon? And as for as your BS on the cost of war, I got news for you once, the cost of Veterans benefits are factored you havenít touched anything yet. Forty years and Iím still sucking at the VA tit.
    Learn to read, 9/11 was included with the hurricanes and guess you ought to tell that to the GAO, that would be the General Accounting Office. Guess again those sites you read knew better. Do you realize who is really posting the s***?


    You still havenít explained why bush didnít use his veto for any legislation that he didnít approve of.
    What did you want Bush to veto? We were talking about the fiscal year 2009. I am not sure you know what you are talking about. Keep diverting from the mistakes you made.


    Iím pretty proud of my source and its not move-on can you say the same about yours? Can you show me any source that says that Medicare Part D was funded?
    You made the statements, now back it up. Medicare Part D is funded by that medicare deduction in your pay check and if you did some research you will find it put competition into the prescription drug program for the first time and seems to be doing well. It didn't go into affect until 2006. You made the claim it was unfunded, so prove it. Democrats wanted more spending, not less.


    What is 12 billion a month times 12? Did Obama cut spending for the war? Do you know that Obama's Defense budget is over 700 billion dollars? That is more than Bush and he kept the Bush Sec. of Defense. So what is your point? How is that hope and change working out for you.


    And hereís the cherry on top of it for five- deferment Cheneyís old company (Halaburtin).



    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/12/wa...tors.html?_r=1
    back to the Haliburton argument. How is that working out for the millions of investors.

    You really need to move on, bury your head in shame, and never post again.

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    Re: Obama State of the Union

    And here’s the cherry on top of it for five- deferment Cheney’s old company (Halaburtin).



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    < WASHINGTON — The United States this year will have spent $100 billion on contractors in Iraq since the invasion in 2003, a milestone that reflects the Bush administration’s unprecedented level of dependence on private firms for help in the war, according to a government report to be released Tuesday. >

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/12/wa...tors.html?_r=1

    Donc, do you understand what you posted here? The article is August 2008 which means that over 5 years that the U.S. Military spent 20 billion a year using private contractors to do what the U.S. Military would have done. Does that mean that the U.S. Military had the means or ability to do what private contractors did? Probably not thus the expense would have occurred anyway only with our military as personnel would have been needed to perform those functions.

    You simply buy anything and everything that you believe supports your point of view but in fact makes you look foolish. Whether or not it is 20 billion for private contractors or an additional 20 billion to our military really is irrelevant as it was money that was going to be spent. Money spent with private contractors goes to employ people and pay investors. You seem to have a problem with that.

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    Re: Obama State of the Union

    QUOTE Conservative
    Wrong, but keep showing how misleading some people can be. Are you ever going to do any research? The Treasury is the keeper of the books and Bush took office with a 5.6 trillion and left at 10.6. Stop making a fool of yourself.

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    Wrong!! Show me what bills he paid with the (using your figures) $5 trillion he ran up while cutting taxes for the top 1%?

    Also you havenít shown me anything yet that the bush administration did that could help pay for the gift to big Pharma, Plan D of Medicare, commonly called the (unfounded) prescription drug plan?

    Why do you keep skipping over that $9.4 trillion unfounded liability? That number is pretty hard to ignore even with the numbers floating around today.


    Learn to read, 9/11 was included with the hurricanes and guess you ought to tell that to the GAO, that would be the General Accounting Office. Guess again those sites you read knew better. Do you realize who is really posting the s***?
    So you know something that Senator McConnell doesnít when he states to the Conservative Political Action Conference Katrina cost $132 billion. Imagine that.


    What did you want Bush to veto? We were talking about the fiscal year 2009. I am not sure you know what you are talking about. Keep diverting from the mistakes you made.

    In post #860 you said this < Bush Budget had to be approved by Congress of which Obama was part of.> Seems to me that if he seen that the evil congress was running up the tab more than he wanted he would have vetoed it and said boys we really should get this spending in hand here.


    You made the statements, now back it up. Medicare Part D is funded by that medicare deduction in your pay check and if you did some research you will find it put competition into the prescription drug program for the first time and seems to be doing well. It didn't go into affect until 2006. You made the claim it was unfunded, so prove it. Democrats wanted more spending, not less.
    Sure thing, enjoy.< Part D a $9.4 trillion unfunded liability over the next 75 years>

    Overview Trustees Report & Trust Funds



    What is 12 billion a month times 12? Did Obama cut spending for the war? Do you know that Obama's Defense budget is over 700 billion dollars? That is more than Bush and he kept the Bush Sec. of Defense. So what is your point? How is that hope and change working out for you.
    No answer so you hurl out three questions all about Obama hoping to DEFLECT attention away from the fact that BUSHS IRAQ WAR WAS COSTING $12 BILLION A MONTH IN 2008.




    back to the Haliburton argument. How is that working out for the millions of investors.

    You really need to move on, bury your head in shame, and never post again.
    Yes we canít talk about ole five deferments KBR/Halliburton can we? Or the backroom $25 billion contract that has been in place since September 11, 2001.
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    donc;1058594598]Wrong!! Show me what bills he paid with the (using your figures) $5 trillion he ran up while cutting taxes for the top 1%?
    I keep hearing that the tax cut went to the top 1%. Did you get a tax cut? I did and I am not in the top 1%. Explain to me how govt. revenue grew AFTER the tax cut. Stop with the class envy.

    Also you havenít shown me anything yet that the bush administration did that could help pay for the gift to big Pharma, Plan D of Medicare, commonly called the (unfounded) prescription drug plan?
    Why do I need to show you anything as you won't believe it. Do some research for a change at non partisan sites

    Why do you keep skipping over that $9.4 trillion unfounded liability? That number is pretty hard to ignore even with the numbers floating around today.
    You are indeed confused and really beyond hope.


    So you know something that Senator McConnell doesnít when he states to the Conservative Political Action Conference Katrina cost $132 billion. Imagine that.
    As is now obvious you are incapable of understanding even what is posted. Tell that to the GAO and the cost was for 9/11 and the hurricanes.



    In post #860 you said this < Bush Budget had to be approved by Congress of which Obama was part of.> Seems to me that if he seen that the evil congress was running up the tab more than he wanted he would have vetoed it and said boys we really should get this spending in hand here.
    We were talking about fiscal year 2009 which you claim that Obama inherited yet conveniently ignored that most of the deficit for fiscal year 2009 was after Bush left office so Bush couldn't veto anything. TARP was passed after the budget and contributed to the debt but most of TARP has been paid back.

    Sure thing, enjoy.< Part D a $9.4 trillion unfunded liability over the next 75 years>
    Why don't you grow up and actually do some research


    No answer so you hurl out three questions all about Obama hoping to DEFLECT attention away from the fact that BUSHS IRAQ WAR WAS COSTING $12 BILLION A MONTH IN 2008.
    No one is disputing that the war is costing 12 billion a month, what I am disputing is your ability to understand how much that is on a yearly basis and what percentage that is of the budget. Further you ignore that Obama has increased that spending.


    Yes we canít talk about ole five deferments KBR/Halliburton can we? Or the backroom $25 billion contract that has been in place since September 11, 2001.

    Since you are all over the board apparently we can talk about anything. Why is that relevant?

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    I keep hearing that the tax cut went to the top 1%. Did you get a tax cut? I did and I am not in the top 1%. Explain to me how govt. revenue grew AFTER the tax cut. Stop with the class envy.

    The point of my post wasnít whether you or I got a tax cut, it was that those that could most afford to pay the taxes got the lions share of the benefits.

    Looking at it in hindsight, is the damage to the future economy that it caused, considering that we had two wars going on at the time. That smacked of sheer lunacy.

    Hereís something you might like to look at, which of course you will ignore but someone else just might find rather interesting.



    Hereís where it came from.


    Tax Returns: A Comprehensive Assessment of the Bush Administration's Record on Cutting Taxes &mdash; Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

    And here for those that are into pdf,s.


    Why do I need to show you anything as you won't believe it. Do some research for a change at non partisan sites
    Got nothing eh?


    You are indeed confused and really beyond hope.
    Movin on along.




    As is now obvious you are incapable of understanding even what is posted. Tell that to the GAO and the cost was for 9/11 and the hurricanes.

    Hurricanes, like Floyd, which you attributed to bush, when it hit during Clintons term?



    We were talking about fiscal year 2009 which you claim that Obama inherited yet conveniently ignored that most of the deficit for fiscal year 2009 was after Bush left office so Bush couldn't veto anything. TARP was passed after the budget and contributed to the debt but most of TARP has been paid back.

    Yet bush had the option to veto anything that the dems came up with during the last two years that they had control of Congress. SOooÖ. it kinda looks like he was quite pleased with the fact that he had at up to that time the largest debt on any President in history; hence no veto of anything that even smacked of increasing the debt . Itís nice that you seem to agree with that fact.



    Why don't you grow up and actually do some research
    Why didnít you go to the link I provided and research it yourself? If you did you would have found an in-debt explanation for the clip that I provide. < Part D a $9.4 trillion unfunded liability over the next 75 years> So sad when someone gets so shiftless that they cant even open a website .



    Since you are all over the board apparently we can talk about anything. Why is that relevant?

    Silly me I thought that a $25 billion contract for mercenaries would be relevant to the ($12 billion a month) cost of the war in Iraq.
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    donc;1058595450]The point of my post wasn’t whether you or I got a tax cut, it was that those that could most afford to pay the taxes got the lions share of the benefits.

    Looking at it in hindsight, is the damage to the future economy that it caused, considering that we had two wars going on at the time. That smacked of sheer lunacy.

    Here’s something you might like to look at, which of course you will ignore but someone else just might find rather interesting.



    Here’s where it came from.


    Tax Returns: A Comprehensive Assessment of the Bush Administration's Record on Cutting Taxes &mdash; Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

    And here for those that are into pdf,s.
    What a crock! Did you check the date of that article? Only in the liberal world does math trump personal consumer activity. Yes, of course if consumer activity generates the same amount of economic activity does the tax revenue go up, but liberals like you simply don't get it. Tax cuts put more money into the individual's pocket and they spent it, saved it, or invested it, all helping the economy. Individuals paying less taxes created millions of new taxpayers thus the revenue went up. Stop buying what you are told and think for a change.

    People with less money never create jobs because they never increase demand. It is obvious that you are an Obama supporter.


    Hurricanes, like Floyd, which you attributed to bush, when it hit during Clintons term?
    Katrina, Ike, and Rita where the major hurricanes but again keep diverting from the fact that 9/11 was the significan cost.


    Yet bush had the option to veto anything that the dems came up with during the last two years that they had control of Congress. SOoo…. it kinda looks like he was quite pleased with the fact that he had at up to that time the largest debt on any President in history; hence no veto of anything that even smacked of increasing the debt . It’s nice that you seem to agree with that fact.
    Did you check out the deficits the last two years of the Bush Administration? Obviously you haven't a clue as to what you are talking about since you want to blame Bush for the 10.6 trillion dollar debt




    Why didn’t you go to the link I provided and research it yourself? If you did you would have found an in-debt explanation for the clip that I provide. < Part D a $9.4 trillion unfunded liability over the next 75 years> So sad when someone gets so shiftless that they cant even open a website .
    What you are providing are PROJECTED liability and not what is actually happening. Do you know the difference?




    Silly me I thought that a $25 billion contract for mercenaries would be relevant to the ($12 billion a month) cost of the war in Iraq.

    Again, 25 billion dollars over how many years? Figure out how much that is per year and apply that to the total budget. Mental midgets will never understand what it means to actually think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    What a crock! Did you check the date of that article? Only in the liberal world does math trump personal consumer activity. Yes, of course if consumer activity generates the same amount of economic activity does the tax revenue go up, but liberals like you simply don't get it. Tax cuts put more money into the individual's pocket and they spent it, saved it, or invested it, all helping the economy. Individuals paying less taxes created millions of new taxpayers thus the revenue went up. Stop buying what you are told and think for a change.

    People with less money never create jobs because they never increase demand. It is obvious that you are an Obama supporter.




    Katrina, Ike, and Rita where the major hurricanes but again keep diverting from the fact that 9/11 was the significan cost.




    Did you check out the deficits the last two years of the Bush Administration? Obviously you haven't a clue as to what you are talking about since you want to blame Bush for the 10.6 trillion dollar debt






    What you are providing are PROJECTED liability and not what is actually happening. Do you know the difference?







    Again, 25 billion dollars over how many years? Figure out how much that is per year and apply that to the total budget. Mental midgets will never understand what it means to actually think.
    i wonder how you continually get away with denigrating other posters.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    i wonder how you continually get away with denigrating other posters.
    You mean by confusing them with actual facts? Sorry, I could become an Obama supporter, naw, not going to happen.

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    Re: Obama State of the Union

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    Did you check the date of that article? Yes, of course if consumer activity generates the same amount of economic activity does the tax revenue go up, but liberals like you simply don't get it. Tax cuts put more money into the individual's pocket and they spent it, saved it, or invested it, all helping the economy. Individuals paying less taxes created millions of new taxpayers thus the revenue went up.

    People with less money never create jobs because they never increase demand. It is obvious that you are an Obama supporter.
    Most of the money is spent by those who have the least, therefore they are the ones gen up the economy.

    The chart doesnít lie, if you take exception with it, post something besides your opinion.As for as the date it is within the dates that were discussing.



    Katrina, Ike, and Rita where the major hurricanes but again keep diverting from the fact that 9/11 was the significan cost.
    All of the above just shows what lunatics we had in charge, that would put in tax-cuts during trying times like that. When we had an incompetent administration, operating under Vice president five deferments, mantra ofĒ deficits donít matterĒ followed up with Medicare part D,no offsets+no negotiating with big pharma on drug prices, plus starting a useless war, again with no offsets, then to cap it off with two tax cuts You donít see the mad hatter in any of this s***.




    Did you check out the deficits the last two years of the Bush Administration?
    Why didnít he find something to veto rather than increasing the debt? Surely their was something he could have vetoed in eight years of unprecedented spending.

    Seeing as how you want to talk about deficits; how about this little factoid.

    < The first seven years of the G.W. Bush presidency increased the deficit by half again as much as the 32 years from JFK through G.H.W.Bush combined, and somewhat more than the 24 years from Harding through FDR combined (remember, this is in inflation-adjusted dollars).>

    http://home.adelphi.edu/sbloch/deficits.htm

    but of course you want to discuss bushes last two years eh?

    Better look at this first though. Careful what you say, as I know where it came from and it has more damnable evidence of complete incompetency.




    What you are providing are PROJECTED liability and not what is actually happening.
    OHhh?? And why didnít bush veto it until he could have some real savings kick inÖnegotiating, like the VA does for their drugs? Hereís some more projecting for ya.

    < 2009 through 2018 are estimated to be $727.3 billion>

    http://www.cms.hhs.gov/ReportsTrustF...ads/tr2009.pdf
    The haggardness of poverty is everywhere seen contrasted with the sleekness of wealth, the exhorted labor of some compensating for the idleness of others, wretched hovels by the side of stately colonnades, the rags of indigence blended with the ensigns of opulence; in a word, the most useless profusion in the midst of the most urgent wants.Jean-Baptiste Say

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