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    Re: Obama State of the Union

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    What don't you understand about new. This article is one day before the 20,000 article.


    The Labor Department says that new claims for unemployment insurance rose by 8,000 to a seasonally adjusted 480,000. Wall Street economists had expected a drop to 460,000.
    It is a cult, it is a cult, it is a cult!

    over 1 million people are listed as discouraged and that is up 136,000 over the previous month and these are the people that dropped off the survey. OC and the other Obama cult followers will always point to news that supports their point of view and ignore the data that goes into that report.

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    Re: Obama State of the Union

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Its good to see an improvement in job loss rate!


    Labor Market Shows Signs of Rebirth in New Data

    "The unemployment rate unexpectedly dipped to 9.7 percent in January, from 10 percent in December, the government reported Friday, buoying hopes that the worst job market in at least a quarter-century is finally improving.

    But a different survey in the Labor Departmentís report found that the economy lost 20,000 net jobs during the month, muddying the picture and underscoring the formidable struggles still confronting millions of Americans. Yet with the pace of decline slowing, most experts focused on signs that the economy was recovering after the longest recession since the Great Depression.

    Manufacturing added 11,000 jobs in January, the first monthly increase since November 2007, while the length of the average workweek rose slightly at factories. The economy added 52,000 temporary workers, and average wages increased modestly, amplifying the view that commercial activity is reawakening after two years of hibernation."
    You want so badly to believe you made the right choice in voting for Obama that you will latch onto anything you believe is good news. The problem is he has done nothing to help the private sector and that is where meaningful jobs have to be created. Without the private sector any job creation is shortlived and unsustainable. Taxpayers cannot afford this massive growth in the size of govt.

    Over a million people dropped out of the job market in January, up 136 thousand over December. That is why the unemployment rate dropped and why the jobless rate is closer to 16% than it is 9.7%. Doesn't it bother you that people are dropping out of the job market?

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    Re: Obama State of the Union

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Except that U6 came down as well. I noticed you ignore that post.

    While it is true that unemployment numbers haven't been accurate since Carter, when the broadest base of measuring declines, unemployment is getting better.
    Down to what-16% unemployment? You believe that is good news?

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    Re: Obama State of the Union

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Thats why only 480,000 newly laid off? That is better? Tell that to those laid off and those who have run out of unemployment benefits.
    Here is the lastest report today

    Updated February 18, 2010
    Jobless Claims Rise Unexpectedly to 473,000

    AP

    The number of newly laid-off workers filing applications for unemployment benefits unexpectedly surged last week after having fallen sharply in the previous week.

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    Re: Obama State of the Union

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Down to what-16% unemployment? You believe that is good news?
    Well, I've given up all hope you can debate honestly.

    Did I say the number was good? No. But a decline is good news.

    Or maybe you think that increasing unemployment is good news and that declining unemployment is bad.

    I believe that decreasing unemployment is a good thing. Now you seem to think otherwise.

    Welcome to Conservative's world: Where a decline in unemployment is bad news. Fewer people being laid off is BAD. More jobs is BAD.
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    Re: Obama State of the Union

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Thats why only 480,000 newly laid off? That is better? Tell that to those laid off and those who have run out of unemployment benefits.
    Still don't understand the difference between jobless claims and unemployment do you?

    If I wait a month to file for claims, has my job been cut this month?

    You fail to realize that initial =/= newly laid off.
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    Re: Obama State of the Union

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Still don't understand the difference between jobless claims and unemployment do you?

    If I wait a month to file for claims, has my job been cut this month?

    You fail to realize that initial =/= newly laid off.
    Nice spin to try and justify that Obama has not failed at creating jobs.

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    Re: Obama State of the Union

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Well, I've given up all hope you can debate honestly.

    Did I say the number was good? No. But a decline is good news.

    Or maybe you think that increasing unemployment is good news and that declining unemployment is bad.

    I believe that decreasing unemployment is a good thing. Now you seem to think otherwise.

    Welcome to Conservative's world: Where a decline in unemployment is bad news. Fewer people being laid off is BAD. More jobs is BAD.
    I believe that conservative would like to see our country fail if it takes this country's president with it.

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    Re: Obama State of the Union

    obvious Child;1058572690]Well, I've given up all hope you can debate honestly.
    Debate honestly? You never had any desire to debate honestly or you would be talking in your condescending tone and wouldn't ignore all the facts including the millions of jobs lost since this President signed a stimulus plan that was supposed to keep unemployment below 8%. We now know that was just another lie

    Did I say the number was good? No. But a decline is good news.
    A decline in unemployment normally is good news but make work jobs at taxpayer expense shows that decline at what it really is, a mirage.

    Or maybe you think that increasing unemployment is good news and that declining unemployment is bad.
    Real employment in the private sector is what is good. Show me that is happening.

    I believe that decreasing unemployment is a good thing. Now you seem to think otherwise.
    Meaningful employment is a good thing, make work jobs isn't

    Welcome to Conservative's world: Where a decline in unemployment is bad news. Fewer people being laid off is BAD. More jobs is BAD.
    Welcome to OC's world of distortion and diversion. The touting of the 20,000 job loss as a victory and lower unemployment ignores the discouraged and those that dropped out of the job market. Somehow that is supposed to be viewed positively.

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    Re: Obama State of the Union

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    I believe that conservative would like to see our country fail if it takes this country's president with it.
    This country wasn't built on Obama principles therefore he is failing and taking the country with him. Only a naive individual would go over the cliff with someone doing that and call it patriotic.

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