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    Re: Obama State of the Union

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    AAAAaA,,,, the mean old Democrats force Dubya to start a meaningless war and forced him to keep the veto stamp in his back pocket.
    Do you understand the difference between debt and deficit? Obama claimed he inherited the deficit he had and that post of mine tells it like it is. That so called meaningless war cost 100 billion a year and is a drop in the bucket compared to the 3.8 trillion budget that Obama just submitted.

    Deficits are yearly, debt is cumulative. Obama's deficit in 2009 was 1.47 trillion, 2010 it will be 1.6 trillion, and the projection for next year is 1.3 trillion. None of those have anything to do with Bush. Obama's defense budget is more than Bush's largest Defense budgets.

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    Re: Obama State of the Union

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Did you find the numbers in the BLS listing showing how many people have dropped out of the job market?

    What you seem to have a problem with is we have spent billions and still 4 million jobs were lost. Obama has grown the size of the public sector which is unsustainable. All taxpayers have to pay for that expense. We have an economy built on the private sector that Obama is destroying.

    What I have a problem with is the promise made that the stimulus plan had to be signed without reading it to keep the unemployment from exceeding 8%. In reality is it closer to 16+% which should bother you instead of taking victory laps for the Obama lies. There is now way you can measure jobs saved and that is what Obama is claiming.
    Why are you trying to deflect c? Go to the BLS site,check out the Numbers,your the one that scoffed at the link to Obamas website.

    Now is your chance, prove him a lier for all to see.Who knows you might just carry the day on the upcoming mid-terms,you might be the next Joe the plumber.

    Think of it, a book deal in your future,speaking engagements at $100 K a pop.Who knows, maybe a political career awaits you,you havea chance to put you theory to the test.

    All you have to do is prove that the President posted on his web site fabricated/bull****,whatever....fame awaits you c....go for it c ,now is your chance for the spotlight to shine on you,prove all the liberal naysayers on DP wrong .
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    Re: Obama State of the Union

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    Why are you trying to deflect c? Go to the BLS site,check out the Numbers,your the one that scoffed at the link to Obamas website.

    Now is your chance, prove him a lier for all to see.Who knows you might just carry the day on the upcoming mid-terms,you might be the next Joe the plumber.

    Think of it, a book deal in your future,speaking engagements at $100 K a pop.Who knows, maybe a political career awaits you,you havea chance to put you theory to the test.

    All you have to do is prove that the President posted on his web site fabricated/bull****,whatever....fame awaits you c....go for it c ,now is your chance for the spotlight to shine on you,prove all the liberal naysayers on DP wrong .
    What exactly do you want me to prove, that we lost 4 million jobs since Obama has taken office?

    How about how many people have dropped out of the job market?

    Do you see any chart on BLS showing saved jobs?

    Why are you so passionate trying to defend this empty suit?

    Did you ever take a civics or history course to find out the role of our govt?

    Hint, it isn't what Obama is making it.

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    Re: Obama State of the Union

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    Why are you trying to deflect c? Go to the BLS site,check out the Numbers,your the one that scoffed at the link to Obamas website.

    Now is your chance, prove him a lier for all to see.Who knows you might just carry the day on the upcoming mid-terms,you might be the next Joe the plumber.

    Think of it, a book deal in your future,speaking engagements at $100 K a pop.Who knows, maybe a political career awaits you,you havea chance to put you theory to the test.

    All you have to do is prove that the President posted on his web site fabricated/bull****,whatever....fame awaits you c....go for it c ,now is your chance for the spotlight to shine on you,prove all the liberal naysayers on DP wrong .
    I have gone back and checked BLS and what I found was that Obama's numbers tell you the story I have been trying to tell you, we lost 20,000 jobs in January BUT read the rest of the BLS report which Obama obviously overlooked reporting. Here is what you will find

    Discouraged workers means they dropped out of the labor market.

    Discouraged workers

    October 734
    Nov. 861
    Dec 929
    Jan 1,065

    There were over 1.065 Million workers that dropped out of the labor market or 136,000 more than in December. Add that 136 thousand to the unemployed number as that is where it belongs.

    think for a change and get off your knees with this empty suit.

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    Re: Obama State of the Union

    Its good to see an improvement in job loss rate!


    Labor Market Shows Signs of Rebirth in New Data

    "The unemployment rate unexpectedly dipped to 9.7 percent in January, from 10 percent in December, the government reported Friday, buoying hopes that the worst job market in at least a quarter-century is finally improving.

    But a different survey in the Labor Department’s report found that the economy lost 20,000 net jobs during the month, muddying the picture and underscoring the formidable struggles still confronting millions of Americans. Yet with the pace of decline slowing, most experts focused on signs that the economy was recovering after the longest recession since the Great Depression.

    Manufacturing added 11,000 jobs in January, the first monthly increase since November 2007, while the length of the average workweek rose slightly at factories. The economy added 52,000 temporary workers, and average wages increased modestly, amplifying the view that commercial activity is reawakening after two years of hibernation."
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    Re: Obama State of the Union

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Its good to see an improvement in job loss rate!


    Labor Market Shows Signs of Rebirth in New Data

    "The unemployment rate unexpectedly dipped to 9.7 percent in January, from 10 percent in December, the government reported Friday, buoying hopes that the worst job market in at least a quarter-century is finally improving.

    But a different survey in the Labor Department’s report found that the economy lost 20,000 net jobs during the month, muddying the picture and underscoring the formidable struggles still confronting millions of Americans. Yet with the pace of decline slowing, most experts focused on signs that the economy was recovering after the longest recession since the Great Depression.

    Manufacturing added 11,000 jobs in January, the first monthly increase since November 2007, while the length of the average workweek rose slightly at factories. The economy added 52,000 temporary workers, and average wages increased modestly, amplifying the view that commercial activity is reawakening after two years of hibernation."
    There is no increase of employed just people no longer counted because they are off unmployment.

    Funny how the day before your article this came out.

    FOXNews.com - Jobless Claims Rise Unexpectedly to 480,000


    The number of newly laid-off workers filing initial claims for jobless benefits rose unexpectedly last week, evidence that layoffs are continuing and jobs remain scarce.

    The rise is the fourth in the past five weeks. Most economists hoped that claims would resume a downward trend that was evident in the fall and early winter.

    The Labor Department says that new claims for unemployment insurance rose by 8,000 to a seasonally adjusted 480,000. Wall Street economists had expected a drop to 460,000.

    The four-week average, which smooths fluctuations, rose for the third straight week.
    The number of people continuing to claim benefits was unchanged at 4.6 million.
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    Re: Obama State of the Union

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Apparently you don't understand how the Establishment and Household Surveys work. The unemployment rate only dropped because the number of people counted as unemployed dropped out of the workforce and no longer are being counted. That pleases the brainwashed. I now know 3 people making up that 6% who believe the stimulus program has worked in creating jobs.

    This country wasn't built on the principles Obama is implementing but the brainwashed jump for joy with every bit of so called good news, news that isn't good at all.
    Except that U6 came down as well. I noticed you ignore that post.

    While it is true that unemployment numbers haven't been accurate since Carter, when the broadest base of measuring declines, unemployment is getting better.
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    Re: Obama State of the Union

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    So hundreds of thousands of jobs lost is an improvement. When we get below 100,000 thousand talk to me.
    Apparently going from over HALF A MILLION job losses to 20,000 isn't good for you.

    You still don't get it do you? Job claims and job losses are two entirely different things. You ignored the fact that job claims are not correlated to monthly job losses. If you lost your job last month and applied this month, guess what? You're not in this month's unemployment numbers.

    Christ sake, you don't even understand the terms you are using.
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    Re: Obama State of the Union

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Except that U6 came down as well. I noticed you ignore that post.

    While it is true that unemployment numbers haven't been accurate since Carter, when the broadest base of measuring declines, unemployment is getting better.
    Thats why only 480,000 newly laid off? That is better? Tell that to those laid off and those who have run out of unemployment benefits.

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    Re: Obama State of the Union

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Apparently going from over HALF A MILLION job losses to 20,000 isn't good for you.

    You still don't get it do you? Job claims and job losses are two entirely different things. You ignored the fact that job claims are not correlated to monthly job losses. If you lost your job last month and applied this month, guess what? You're not in this month's unemployment numbers.

    Christ sake, you don't even understand the terms you are using.
    What don't you understand about new. This article is one day before the 20,000 article.


    The Labor Department says that new claims for unemployment insurance rose by 8,000 to a seasonally adjusted 480,000. Wall Street economists had expected a drop to 460,000.

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