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    Re: Obama State of the Union

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    Is there something that indicates we do not know the purpose of a filibuster? If that is the case then let's put that to rest right now. I totally agree. Now what is your point?
    If you understand the purpose is to delay why would you continue to claim that because they didn't have enough votes to block a bill's passage that it isn't a filibuster?

    That is the point.

    There are other reasons to threaten a filibuster including making amendments to the bill. Now answer the question, does it really matter how many filibusters the Republicans had of Democratic Bills in 2008 with Bush in the WH?
    Oh, a new goalpost! That wasn't my argument. My claim was the filibuster's use by the Republican's is unprecedented in history.

    What does any of that have to do with 2009?
    Delay, Delay, Delay!

    You seem to be having a problem with the basic fact that the Republicans didn't have the votes to filibuster Obama and required Democrat support if indeed a filibuster occurred in 2009?
    As we have established, they do not need the votes to block to be able to delay.

    Even Graham has admitted a record number of filibusters, as I have documented.

    What have you documented?
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    Re: Obama State of the Union

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    If you understand the purpose is to delay why would you continue to claim that because they didn't have enough votes to block a bill's passage that it isn't a filibuster?

    That is the point.



    Oh, a new goalpost! That wasn't my argument. My claim was the filibuster's use by the Republican's is unprecedented in history.



    Delay, Delay, Delay!



    As we have established, they do not need the votes to block to be able to delay.

    Even Graham has admitted a record number of filibusters, as I have documented.

    What have you documented?
    How is it delay if you don't have enough votes. The problem was the democrats infighting.

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    Re: Obama State of the Union

    "Sen.-elect Scott Brown (R-Mass.) has promised to join the GOP filibuster of health care reform. To do so, he will not need to give any long-winded speeches, make any parliamentary motions, or even vote. All he will need to do is NOT do something his predecessor did — vote to allow the Senate to vote on the bill itself, a procedure known as cloture.

    If that sounds like doing nothing at all, it is. This is the latest step in the evolution of the filibuster from exhausting to effortless. It has always been difficult to pass a bill, but it has never in Senate history been easier to stall or block a vote.

    No wonder the number of votes stalled or blocked has dramatically increased. Once a tactic of extraordinary resistance used sparingly, filibusters are now a routine way to oppose anything. Senators have even filibustered bills they support to gain concessions. Several months ago, the Senate unanimously voted to extend unemployment benefits after overcoming three separate filibusters.

    All this filibustering has made it extremely difficult for the Senate to act and impossible for it to act quickly. The constant delays are mystifying to citizens and maddening to at least half of Senators at any time."
    Krasno & Robinson: Fixing the Filibuster - Roll Call
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    Re: Obama State of the Union

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    "Sen.-elect Scott Brown (R-Mass.) has promised to join the GOP filibuster of health care reform. To do so, he will not need to give any long-winded speeches, make any parliamentary motions, or even vote. All he will need to do is NOT do something his predecessor did vote to allow the Senate to vote on the bill itself, a procedure known as cloture.

    If that sounds like doing nothing at all, it is. This is the latest step in the evolution of the filibuster from exhausting to effortless. It has always been difficult to pass a bill, but it has never in Senate history been easier to stall or block a vote.

    No wonder the number of votes stalled or blocked has dramatically increased. Once a tactic of extraordinary resistance used sparingly, filibusters are now a routine way to oppose anything. Senators have even filibustered bills they support to gain concessions. Several months ago, the Senate unanimously voted to extend unemployment benefits after overcoming three separate filibusters.

    All this filibustering has made it extremely difficult for the Senate to act and impossible for it to act quickly. The constant delays are mystifying to citizens and maddening to at least half of Senators at any time."
    Krasno & Robinson: Fixing the Filibuster - Roll Call
    The point is the GOP before this did not have enough votes so it was democrats blocking.

    This means it is time for democrats to start working with the GOP instead of demanding everything be the way they want it. Democrats need to learn to compromise.

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    Re: Obama State of the Union

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    "Sen.-elect Scott Brown (R-Mass.) has promised to join the GOP filibuster of health care reform. To do so, he will not need to give any long-winded speeches, make any parliamentary motions, or even vote. All he will need to do is NOT do something his predecessor did vote to allow the Senate to vote on the bill itself, a procedure known as cloture.

    If that sounds like doing nothing at all, it is. This is the latest step in the evolution of the filibuster from exhausting to effortless. It has always been difficult to pass a bill, but it has never in Senate history been easier to stall or block a vote.

    No wonder the number of votes stalled or blocked has dramatically increased. Once a tactic of extraordinary resistance used sparingly, filibusters are now a routine way to oppose anything. Senators have even filibustered bills they support to gain concessions. Several months ago, the Senate unanimously voted to extend unemployment benefits after overcoming three separate filibusters.

    All this filibustering has made it extremely difficult for the Senate to act and impossible for it to act quickly. The constant delays are mystifying to citizens and maddening to at least half of Senators at any time."
    Krasno & Robinson: Fixing the Filibuster - Roll Call
    You act like this is a new technique. There is nothing new here nor is there anything that refutes what we have been posting regarding the information you provided.

    No matter how much information you post nothing is going to change the fact that the chart you posted was for 2008 which had nothing to do with Obama.

    No matter how much information you post regarding 2009 the fact is the GOP didn't have the votes to filibuster any legislation. Amending legislation is what both parties do all the time so nothing new there.

    What also isn't new is the biased, partisan posting that you do all in hopes of propping up the empty suit in the WH. The American people do not want Obamacare and the American people know that the stimulus plan isn't working. Why would the GOP vote for programs that don't work and aren't going to work?

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    Re: Obama State of the Union

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    Hardly spin.




    Whats this babbling about 2007-2008 have to do with anything that we are discussing?
    Sincerely, the republican death panel letter.

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    Re: Obama State of the Union

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    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post

    Sincerely, the republican death panel letter.
    Looks to me like Obama is leading the Democratic Party over the cliff in November. The empty suit in the WH is showing the lack of leadership skills everyone that read his resume knew about but many of his supporters are finally waking up to.

    He has yet to keep a major campaign promise showing that he said what it took to get elected but now that he is in office is doing what he wants to do, back room deals, no transparency, moving this country to the far left, and spending us into bankruptcy.

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    Re: Obama State of the Union

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post

    Looks to me like Obama is leading the Democratic Party over the cliff in November. The empty suit in the WH is showing the lack of leadership skills everyone that read his resume knew about but many of his supporters are finally waking up to.

    He has yet to keep a major campaign promise showing that he said what it took to get elected but now that he is in office is doing what he wants to do, back room deals, no transparency, moving this country to the far left, and spending us into bankruptcy.
    I'm sure the taliban would agree with you.

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    Re: Obama State of the Union

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    I'm sure the taliban would agree with you.
    When will the empty suit be apologizing to the Taliban for the capture of their leader? How is that hope and change working out for you?

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    Re: Obama State of the Union

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    When will the empty suit be apologizing to the Taliban for the capture of their leader? How is that hope and change working out for you?
    Now you are making things up and treating them as reality. My reality is not the same as your reality.

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