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    Re: Obama State of the Union

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    Well, looks like conservatives mini-me has sobered up....for the time being anyway.


    Still waiting for a link or anything to back your claim up.
    A link for what. You did not respond to two examples I showed unless you know nothing of Reids deals.

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    Re: Obama State of the Union

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    You apparently don't have a clue as to what you are talking about, the BILL PASSED after Reid bribed two DEMOCRAT Senators.

    This is just a hopeless cause with people like you especially those that are civic's challenged. Your comments are lame, the Republicans couldn't filibuster anything. The stalling tactics didn't stop the bill and there was no way the Republicans could filibuster the bill. Reid bribed Landreau and Nelson, DEMOCRATS!!!
    Thats the point the GOP can stop nothing it is democrats stopping bills

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    Re: Obama State of the Union

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    I would consider that a strategy going forward but again having nothing to do with what you posted. Keep digging the hole deeper for yourself. What part of the GOP not filibustering Democratic Legislation in 2007-2008 do you not understand?
    I understand it fine, and I've provided documentation of record filibuster attempts against Democratic bills. Where is your documentation that shows otherwise. All you have provided is it is your opinion that its not the case.

    Then what part of the GOP not having the votes to filibuster Democratic Legislation in 2009 after Specter defected do you not understand? I am not sure anyone understands the 110th vs the 111th Congress
    As per the definition of filibuster, it can be an "attempt to delay," without having the votes to block.

    If you cannot understand basic math then there really is no hope for you discussing or understanding other substantive topics
    Slipping back into the insult mode there again, eh?

    If you wish to end discussions, fine.
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    Re: Obama State of the Union

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    Then why isn't that piece of s*** sitting on Obamas desk now waiting for his signature?
    Because the dems in the house and senate can not agree

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    Re: Obama State of the Union

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    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post

    40 votes is not enough to filibuster.
    Frustrating, isn't it? Such a simple concept to understand yet for some reason Obama supporters conveniently cannot grasp that concept.

    The purpose of a filibuster was to promote bipartisanship and has been used by both parties over the decades but now somehow it is a nasty word or concept even though last year there weren't enough votes for the Republicans to filibuster anything Obama wanted. Obama's problem was he couldn't convince his own party.

    Now with regards to 2008 any filibuster by the Republicans weren't going to matter with Bush in the WH but probably had more to do with Republicans trying to get Reid to let them participate in the legislative process knowing that Bush was going to veto legislation that was passed solely by Democrats.

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    Re: Obama State of the Union

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I understand it fine, and I've provided documentation of record filibuster attempts against Democratic bills. Where is your documentation that shows otherwise. All you have provided is it is your opinion that its not the case.



    As per the definition of filibuster, it can be an "attempt to delay," without having the votes to block.



    Slipping back into the insult mode there again, eh?

    If you wish to end discussions, fine.
    The blocking of bills is democrats not sticking together. The GOP can not block with 40 votes. Now that they have 41 it may be different, Come November it may be a lot different.

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    Re: Obama State of the Union

    Catawba;1058564834]I understand it fine, and I've provided documentation of record filibuster attempts against Democratic bills. Where is your documentation that shows otherwise. All you have provided is it is your opinion that its not the case.
    Please explain to me what purpose it would serve for the Republicans to filibuster Democrat bills in 2008? Think Bush was going to sign them?



    As per the definition of filibuster, it can be an "attempt to delay," without having the votes to block.
    It can be an attempt to delay but not with less than 41 votes. Seems pretty simple to me, 40 votes isn't enough to filibuster anything. How could the GOP delay anything with only 40 votes.


    Slipping back into the insult mode there again, eh?
    You are one of the most frustrating individuals in this forum. Think, please. How can the GOP fililbuster, delay, stonewall, divert, or any other adjective you want to use when they don't have the votes to do it?

    If you wish to end discussions, fine.
    Now tell me why the GOP in 2008 would filibuster Democratic Legislation with a Republican President in the WH? Couldn't it be simply to get the Democrats to allow them into the legislative process? Do you believe Bush would have signed Democrat Legislation?



    Want to stop while you are behind?

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    Re: Obama State of the Union

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    The blocking of bills is democrats not sticking together. The GOP can not block with 40 votes. Now that they have 41 it may be different, Come November it may be a lot different.
    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Please explain to me what purpose it would serve for the Republicans to filibuster Democrat bills in 2008? Think Bush was going to sign them?
    It is very clear if you do not ignore the definition of a filibuster. Pay particular attention to the part in bold. What does it say?

    "A filibuster, or "speaking or talking out a bill", is a form of obstruction in a legislature or other decision-making body whereby one attempts to delay or entirely prevent a vote on a proposal by extending a debate on that proposal. A popular saying is "filibuster it to death!"

    [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filibuster]Filibuster - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]


    What does it say? That is the reason it was used.
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    Re: Obama State of the Union

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    It is very clear if you do not ignore the definition of a filibuster. Pay particular attention to the part in bold. What does it say?

    "A filibuster, or "speaking or talking out a bill", is a form of obstruction in a legislature or other decision-making body whereby one attempts to delay or entirely prevent a vote on a proposal by extending a debate on that proposal. A popular saying is "filibuster it to death!"

    Filibuster - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    What does it say? That is the reason it was used.
    Is there something that indicates we do not know the purpose of a filibuster? If that is the case then let's put that to rest right now. I totally agree. Now what is your point?

    There are other reasons to threaten a filibuster including making amendments to the bill. Now answer the question, does it really matter how many filibusters the Republicans had of Democratic Bills in 2008 with Bush in the WH?

    What does any of that have to do with 2009? You seem to be having a problem with the basic fact that the Republicans didn't have the votes to filibuster Obama and required Democrat support if indeed a filibuster occurred in 2009?

    You do realize that no matter how many times you post the same information it doesn't change the facts that I keep giving you.

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    Re: Obama State of the Union

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    It is very clear if you do not ignore the definition of a filibuster. Pay particular attention to the part in bold. What does it say?

    "A filibuster, or "speaking or talking out a bill", is a form of obstruction in a legislature or other decision-making body whereby one attempts to delay or entirely prevent a vote on a proposal by extending a debate on that proposal. A popular saying is "filibuster it to death!"

    Filibuster - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    What does it say? That is the reason it was used.
    Problem is they no longer do the holding of the floor. 40 votes can stop nothing.

    It is the democrats infighting that is giving Obama problems.

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