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    Re: Obama State of the Union

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Nice dodge
    Well, looks like conservatives mini-me has sobered up....for the time being anyway.


    Still waiting for a link or anything to back your claim up.
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    Re: Obama State of the Union

    [quote=donc;1058564552]


    Hardly spin.




    Whats this babbling about 2007-2008 have to do with anything that we are discussing?
    So what bill passed in the Senate on Christmas Eve 2009? You haven't a clue as to what you are talking about. The GOP didn't have the votes to stop healthcare and thus didn't.

    The bigger issue was the bribes to Democrats to get them to vote for the bill. GOP had 40 votes which would not stop the legislation.

    Not exactly sure what your point is as the majority in this country today would have filibustered the Senate bill so tell me exactly what you are talking about and by all means stop the spinning and stop buying what you are being told about Republican being obstructionists. I am sure to be fair you were against what the Democrats did to Bush?

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    Re: Obama State of the Union

    Conservative;

    So what bill passed in the Senate on Christmas Eve 2009? You haven't a clue as to what you are talking about. The GOP didn't have the votes to stop healthcare and thus didn't.

    The bigger issue was the bribes to Democrats to get them to vote for the bill. GOP had 40 votes which would not stop the legislation.

    Not exactly sure what your point is as the majority in this country today would have filibustered the Senate bill so tell me exactly what you are talking about and by all means stop the spinning and stop buying what you are being told about Republican being obstructionists. I am sure to be fair you were against what the Democrats did to Bush?

    From my post #578

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    The Republican stalling tactics worked, therefore it was blocked, no need for a filibuster. The party of NO succeeded in blocking the bill without the need of a filibuster.

    Which you replied in post#580

    Nice spin, Obama couldn't hold his own party but the party with 40 votes saying now isn't any difference to what happened in 2007-2008 when Bush was in the WH and the Democrats were the party of no. How quickly you forget.

    Notice my contention that the “The party of NO succeeded in blocking the bill without the need of a filibuster”. This knowledge will come in handy as we continue our odyssey down the rabbet hole.



    From my post #590

    Where I posted Sen.Judd Gregs memo, telling his colleagues in the senate how to delay the vote on healthcare. Therefore showing you proof that what I posted in post number #578 was not spin but documented fact that the intention of the Senate was to delay and stall the healthcare vote as long as they can and as I stated in post #578 “The party of NO succeeded in blocking the bill without the need of a filibuster”.
    That brings us to post #592

    Where you come back to this lame a** post
    “So what bill passed in the Senate on Christmas Eve 2009? You haven't a clue as to what you are talking about. The GOP didn't have the votes to stop healthcare and thus didn't. ”
    WTF is this supposed to mean, in context to what has been posted?

    Man if you cant come up with something better than this lame a** attempt to deflect, just go on to the next of your 40+ post per day.Geesh…telling me that I haven’t a clue after that lame s….
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    Re: Obama State of the Union

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    From my post #578




    Which you replied in post#580




    Notice my contention that the “The party of NO succeeded in blocking the bill without the need of a filibuster”. This knowledge will come in handy as we continue our odyssey down the rabbet hole.



    From my post #590



    That brings us to post #592

    Where you come back to this lame a** post

    WTF is this supposed to mean, in context to what has been posted?

    Man if you cant come up with something better than this lame a** attempt to deflect, just go on to the next of your 40+ post per day.Geesh…telling me that I haven’t a clue after that lame s….
    You apparently don't have a clue as to what you are talking about, the BILL PASSED after Reid bribed two DEMOCRAT Senators.

    This is just a hopeless cause with people like you especially those that are civic's challenged. Your comments are lame, the Republicans couldn't filibuster anything. The stalling tactics didn't stop the bill and there was no way the Republicans could filibuster the bill. Reid bribed Landreau and Nelson, DEMOCRATS!!!

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    Re: Obama State of the Union

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You apparently don't have a clue as to what you are talking about, the BILL PASSED after Reid bribed two DEMOCRAT Senators.

    This is just a hopeless cause with people like you especially those that are civic's challenged. Your comments are lame, the Republicans couldn't filibuster anything. The stalling tactics didn't stop the bill and there was no way the Republicans could filibuster the bill. Reid bribed Landreau and Nelson, DEMOCRATS!!!
    Then why isn't that piece of s*** sitting on Obamas desk now waiting for his signature?
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    Re: Obama State of the Union

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    Then why isn't that piece of s*** sitting on Obamas desk now waiting for his signature?
    Take a civics class, please! The House has a bill and the Senate has a Bill. Democrats in the House cannot agree with the Democrat bill in the Senate. It needs to be reconciled. The Senate Bill isn't as radical as the house bill and thus reconciliation isn't likely thus they will have to try again. This time the GOP Does have the votes to filibuster it and the American people don't want either the House or the Senate Bill.

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    Re: Obama State of the Union

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post

    Who says they are wrong? What I am saying but you are ignoring is the FACT that the Republicans didn't have the votes to prevent cloture without Democrat support.

    What I am also saying and you are ignoring is the chart you posted stops at 2008 and includes only the 2007-2008 Congress which was controlled by the Democrats with a Republican in the WH. Notice the large spike in that chart? Why would Republicans block legislation with a Republican President who could veto the legislation? What I believe happened was the Democrats blocked GOP legislation to keep Bush from signing it. Seems you don't have a problem with that happening.
    How would you interpret this article?
    http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2010_02/022363.php:

    Or this?

    Republican strategy: Filibuster everything, win in Nov.



    Even conservatives admit this is what they are doing ~

    "Sen. Lindsey Graham isn't willing to place all of the blame on Senate Republicans for the record number of filibusters in the 110th Congress.

    On Fox News Sunday, Graham implied Majority Leader Harry Reid forced so many filibusters by allowing so many bills and refusing Republican amendments."
    Lindsey Graham blames Reid for GOP’s record filibusters | Raw Story
    A filibuster does block legislation from being brought to a vote thus it is blocked.
    Only if you ignore the definition of filibuster also includes "attempts to delay."
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    Re: Obama State of the Union

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Take a civics class, please! The House has a bill and the Senate has a Bill. Democrats in the House cannot agree with the Democrat bill in the Senate. It needs to be reconciled. The Senate Bill isn't as radical as the house bill and thus reconciliation isn't likely thus they will have to try again. This time the GOP Does have the votes to filibuster it and the American people don't want either the House or the Senate Bill.

    Keep going Sherlock and you will eventually figure out what i have been trying to hammer into that hunk of granite on you shoulders for the last several post. Now excuse me 24 is on.
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    Re: Obama State of the Union

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    How would you interpret this article?
    http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2010_02/022363.php:

    Or this?

    Republican strategy: Filibuster everything, win in Nov.



    Even conservatives admit this is what they are doing ~

    "Sen. Lindsey Graham isn't willing to place all of the blame on Senate Republicans for the record number of filibusters in the 110th Congress.

    On Fox News Sunday, Graham implied Majority Leader Harry Reid forced so many filibusters by allowing so many bills and refusing Republican amendments."
    Lindsey Graham blames Reid for GOP’s record filibusters | Raw Story


    Only if you ignore the definition of filibuster also includes "attempts to delay."
    I would consider that a strategy going forward but again having nothing to do with what you posted. Keep digging the hole deeper for yourself. What part of the GOP not filibustering Democratic Legislation in 2007-2008 do you not understand? Then what part of the GOP not having the votes to filibuster Democratic Legislation in 2009 after Specter defected do you not understand? I am not sure anyone understands the 110th vs the 111th Congress

    If you cannot understand basic math then there really is no hope for you discussing or understanding other substantive topics
    Last edited by Conservative; 02-15-10 at 10:25 PM.

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    Re: Obama State of the Union

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    Hardly spin.




    Whats this babbling about 2007-2008 have to do with anything that we are discussing?
    40 votes is not enough to filibuster.

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