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    Re: Obama State of the Union

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Without the stimulus we could be facing 8 million jobs lost! We could be in another depression. That is what you do not seem to get.

    I am frankly amazed that Obama could reverse the trend in just one year!
    Thats all BS talking points and propaganda.

    This recession is more like the one during Carter, Reagan than the great depression.

    Keep spewing Obama's garbage but most of us know better.

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    Re: Obama State of the Union

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    There are no numbers in the video, except all the zeros on the checks the Republicans are smiling their ass off over!
    Along with the unions and the democrats. It means nothing.

    I am against entitlements yet my son receives SSI and medicaid I guess in your eyes I am a hypocrite.

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    Re: Obama State of the Union

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Without the stimulus we could be facing 8 million jobs lost! We could be in another depression. That is what you do not seem to get.

    I am frankly amazed that Obama could reverse the trend in just one year!
    That is your opinion, prove it? It doesn't seem to take a lot of effort to amaze you especially when it comes to partisan leftwing rhetoric.

    State's fund police and fire departments, not the Federal govt. States fund school teachers, not the Federal Govt. Your ignorance of the Federal and State govermment is staggering.

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    Re: Obama State of the Union

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    If you subtract the infrastructure value built with those jobs.
    Thats crap.Nice spin but it does not fly.


    Stimulus Transportation Jobs Cost $161,544 Each - Nashville News Story - WSMV Nashville

    White House Inflates Stimulus Job Creation With Accounting Gimmicks


    The Obama administration is changing the way it counts jobs created or saved by stimulus spending in a way that will make the programs look far more successful.

    Under the old rules, only jobs that were actually newly created or not lost because of stimulus money were counted. Now the administration plans to count all jobs for projects funded by stimulus money—even if that job already existed and the person was never in danger of losing the job.

    The changes were made in a little noticed memo sent to federal agencies by OMB director Peter Orszag, according to a new report from ProPublica.

    The OMB says the changes were made to clear up confusion about how to count the jobs. Employers were sometimes confused about how to account for jobs, resulting in inaccurate data. California, for instance, claimed that stimulus spending had saved 18,000 corrections department jobs—when only 5,000 were scheduled to be cut. Under the new system, all of those jobs could be counted as products of the stimulus.

    Similarly, pay raises can count as stimulus jobs. Chrysler reported last year that a $53 million government contract to build 3,000 vehicles created no jobs because it used existing workers to fill the order. Under the new accounting, those jobs would count as being created by the stimulus plan.

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    Re: Obama State of the Union

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Are you trying to assert that states were not facing budget shortfalls due to the recession?
    So what? There is no proof that left alone they would not have figured out a way to fix it.

    Losing 4 million jobs does not show me that it helped.

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    Re: Obama State of the Union

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Where are the jobs, over 4 million lost to date and millions have dropped out of the job market after 787 billion stimulus plan passed. it had to be passed to keep unemployment from exceeding 8%, how is that working out for the millions that are no longer in the market for a job?
    That is happening all over the world. Are you going to blame Obama for something crooked fat cat capitalists did?

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    Re: Obama State of the Union

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Thats crap.Nice spin but it does not fly.


    Stimulus Transportation Jobs Cost $161,544 Each - Nashville News Story - WSMV Nashville

    White House Inflates Stimulus Job Creation With Accounting Gimmicks


    The Obama administration is changing the way it counts jobs created or saved by stimulus spending in a way that will make the programs look far more successful.

    Under the old rules, only jobs that were actually newly created or not lost because of stimulus money were counted. Now the administration plans to count all jobs for projects funded by stimulus money—even if that job already existed and the person was never in danger of losing the job.

    The changes were made in a little noticed memo sent to federal agencies by OMB director Peter Orszag, according to a new report from ProPublica.

    The OMB says the changes were made to clear up confusion about how to count the jobs. Employers were sometimes confused about how to account for jobs, resulting in inaccurate data. California, for instance, claimed that stimulus spending had saved 18,000 corrections department jobs—when only 5,000 were scheduled to be cut. Under the new system, all of those jobs could be counted as products of the stimulus.

    Similarly, pay raises can count as stimulus jobs. Chrysler reported last year that a $53 million government contract to build 3,000 vehicles created no jobs because it used existing workers to fill the order. Under the new accounting, those jobs would count as being created by the stimulus plan.
    So, would you prefer that they use a chinese abacus

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    Re: Obama State of the Union

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    That is your opinion, prove it? It doesn't seem to take a lot of effort to amaze you especially when it comes to partisan leftwing rhetoric.

    State's fund police and fire departments, not the Federal govt. States fund school teachers, not the Federal Govt. Your ignorance of the Federal and State govermment is staggering.
    Haven't you used that "your ignorance is staggering" crap a bit much, pee wee?

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    Re: Obama State of the Union

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    That is happening all over the world. Are you going to blame Obama for something crooked fat cat capitalists did?
    Yep, he told us that the stimulus plan had to be passed immediately to keep the unemployment rate at 8%. 800 billion later the unemployment rate has risen with oave 15 million now unemployed and millions others not counted and out of the work force. That is hope and change only a true liberal can support.

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    Re: Obama State of the Union

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    Haven't you used that "your ignorance is staggering" crap a bit much, pee wee?
    I use it often when talking to mental midgets. It may be too big of a word for some to understand however. Seems to even confuse you.

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