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    Re: Obama State of the Union

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    So you agree with Maddow's assessment on the stimulus hypocrisy by the GOP?
    No comment answer my question

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    Re: Obama State of the Union

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    No comment answer my question
    Your no comment is your answer. You have nothing with which to refute Maddow's astute reporting on the GOP hypocrisy over the Stimulus bill.

    Now that's out of the way, on to your next goal post:

    Sow where the GOP supported Cap and Trade

    McCain Pushes 'Cap-And-Trade' Plan to Fight Global Warming



    Lindsey Graham Backpedaling On Cap And Trade Climate Bill?


    "When asked to testify during today's debate in Iowa (Raise your hands if you think climate change presents a serious threat) most refused. (Sen. John McCain and Rudy Giuliani, to their credit, and, somewhat more timidly, Mike Huckabee and Mitt Romney, started to raise their hands before the question was derailed."
    Read more: Iowa Debate - Republicans Refuse to Raise Hands to Acknowledge Threat of Global Warming in Iowa Debate - YouTube Clip - thedailygreen.com

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    Re: Obama State of the Union

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Your no comment is your answer. You have nothing with which to refute Maddow's astute reporting on the GOP hypocrisy over the Stimulus bill.

    Now that's out of the way, on to your next goal post:




    McCain Pushes 'Cap-And-Trade' Plan to Fight Global Warming



    Lindsey Graham Backpedaling On Cap And Trade Climate Bill?


    "When asked to testify during today's debate in Iowa (Raise your hands if you think climate change presents a serious threat) most refused. (Sen. John McCain and Rudy Giuliani, to their credit, and, somewhat more timidly, Mike Huckabee and Mitt Romney, started to raise their hands before the question was derailed."
    Read more: Iowa Debate - Republicans Refuse to Raise Hands to Acknowledge Threat of Global Warming in Iowa Debate - YouTube Clip - thedailygreen.com

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    I never addressed the stimulus and have not looked at that. You links to my question prove nothing.

    McCain was in 2008 under not under Obama so the difference may be what Obama wants. Graham link did not work.

    The GOP believing that global warming is not mans fault is correct and accurate. This shows they would not support cap and trade. I do not understand what you think that proves.

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    Re: Obama State of the Union

    The Maddow hit piece is so generic and general it means nothing and shows no proof of anything.

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    Re: Obama State of the Union

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    I never addressed the stimulus and have not looked at that.
    Well look at it and get back with me, if you have the nerve.


    McCain was in 2008 under not under Obama so the difference may be what Obama wants.
    Cap and trade was first introduced by McCain and Lieberman, in 2003 and 2005.

    Graham link did not work.
    It does now: Lindsey Graham Backpedaling On Cap And Trade Climate Bill?
    The GOP believing that global warming is not mans fault is correct and accurate. This shows they would not support cap and trade. I do not understand what you think that proves.
    It only proves that John McCain, Lindsey Graham, Rudy Giuliani, Mike Huckabee and Mitt Romney, and all the Republicans that voted for the Republican bill in 2003 and 2005 believed than that "climate change presents a serious threat, and that they are hypocrites in opposing it now when presented by the Democrats.
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    Re: Obama State of the Union

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Well look at it and get back with me, if you have the nerve.

    Look at what her generic general rant that has no facts or proof?


    Cap and trade was first introduced by McCain and Lieberman, in 2003 and 2005.

    Again under Bush. The bills put forth under Obama are not what they wanted.

    It does now: Lindsey Graham Backpedaling On Cap And Trade Climate Bill?

    Did you read it he said he would work with them but was is proposed does not work


    It only proves that John McCain, Lindsey Graham, Rudy Giuliani, Mike Huckabee and Mitt Romney, and all the Republicans that voted for the Republican bill in 2003 and 2005 believed than that "climate change presents a serious threat, and that they are hypocrites in opposing it now when presented by the Democrats.

    It proves that the democrats bill does not do what they want. With all the proof of fraud and lies from GW scientist in the last few months why would anyone continue to believe GW is caused by man.

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    Re: Obama State of the Union

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post

    Look at what her generic general rant that has no facts or proof?
    Did you even see her report???? She provide taped clips in their own words endorsing the same programs, but when they were proposed by Obama they were opposed to them.

    She named off 25 different Republicans that voted against the Stimulus bill that later went around their states handing out Obama's money as if it was coming from them, praising how much good it would do for their state.

    The hypocrisy was vivid and undeniable, as she presented clips of them in their own words.


    Cap and trade was first introduced by McCain and Lieberman, in 2003 and 2005.

    Again under Bush.
    Yeah, that's why the hypocrisy is so apparent.

    The bills put forth under Obama are not what they wanted.
    List the differences.

    And that would not explain their vote against the stimulus and simultaneously praising the funding in their states, would it?

    Did you read it he said he would work with them but was is proposed does not work.
    How is it different that what McCain proposed in his cap and trade bill?


    It only proves that John McCain, Lindsey Graham, Rudy Giuliani, Mike Huckabee and Mitt Romney, and all the Republicans that voted for the Republican bill in 2003 and 2005 believed than that "climate change presents a serious threat, and that they are hypocrites in opposing it now when presented by the Democrats.

    It proves that the democrats bill does not do what they want.
    Nice try, what they said back then was that "climate change presents a serious threat," something they deny today. Pure, vivid hypocrisy!
    With all the proof of fraud and lies from GW scientist in the last few months why would anyone continue to believe GW is caused by man.
    There has been nothing that has changed the consensus of the world's scientists on climate change.
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    Re: Obama State of the Union

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Nice spin, so it saved 2 million jobs and according to you that is worth approving 787 billion in stimulus? Would you have been that happy if Bush had gotten the same results? This whole saved job cr.p is just that. Keep drinking the Kool-Aid.

    There is no way of measuring saved jobs and as I pointed out subtract another 2 million jobs from the employment number and see what affect that has on unemployment?

    This is nothing more than spinning a poor situation and trying to make it look better when the reality is the so called job saved is minor compared to the money spent. The govt. could have and should have given out that entire amount in tax cuts and the benefits would have been greater for all Americans.
    Worth can be somewhat subjective. I'm sure it is worth more to those still working due to the stimulus than those not. What would you be saying if things were worse?

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    Re: Obama State of the Union

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Did you even see her report???? She provide taped clips in their own words endorsing the same programs, but when they were proposed by Obama they were opposed to them.

    She named off 25 different Republicans that voted against the Stimulus bill that later went around their states handing out Obama's money as if it was coming from them, praising how much good it would do for their state.

    The hypocrisy was vivid and undeniable, as she presented clips of them in their own words.


    Cap and trade was first introduced by McCain and Lieberman, in 2003 and 2005.



    Yeah, that's why the hypocrisy is so apparent.



    List the differences.

    And that would not explain their vote against the stimulus and simultaneously praising the funding in their states, would it?



    How is it different that what McCain proposed in his cap and trade bill?


    It only proves that John McCain, Lindsey Graham, Rudy Giuliani, Mike Huckabee and Mitt Romney, and all the Republicans that voted for the Republican bill in 2003 and 2005 believed than that "climate change presents a serious threat, and that they are hypocrites in opposing it now when presented by the Democrats.



    Nice try, what they said back then was that "climate change presents a serious threat," something they deny today. Pure, vivid hypocrisy!


    There has been nothing that has changed the consensus of the world's scientists on climate change.
    So fraud and lies does not change the climate consensus.. You need to get off the Koolaid.

    So the stimulus was a bad bill but they should turn away the money? Get real this is partisan hackery by Maddow.

    It is ok when Byrd and Murtha do pork but this by the GOP is bad. The stimulus has done little to help

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    Re: Obama State of the Union

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    So the stimulus was a bad bill but they should turn away the money? Get real this is partisan hackery by Maddow.
    They didn't just accept the money after they voted against it, which shows a lack of integrity by itself. They posed smiling for pictures of them signing oversized checks and boasted about how much good this would do in their states.

    As I said the the hypocrisy is vivid and clear cut, and anyone expect partisan hacks will be able to see for themselves below:

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VOE6JRfDs8"]YouTube- Rachel Maddows Factually Shows GOP hypocrisy - Vote against stimulus and policy they support[/ame]
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