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    Re: Obama State of the Union

    Quote Originally Posted by AgentM View Post
    So sending tens of thousands of more troops is nothing? What about health care? What would you have him do?
    The decision was made by military commanders, and he didn't even fully execute their plan as I recall. And as I also recall the US healthcare system is absolutely no different now than it was 1 year ago. "Trying" and "doing" aren't the same thing.
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    Re: Obama State of the Union

    Quote Originally Posted by gopman View Post
    The decision was made by military commanders, and he didn't even fully execute their plan as I recall. And as I also recall the US healthcare system is absolutely no different now than it was 1 year ago. "Trying" and "doing" aren't the same thing.
    Yeah, there are lots of decisions accredited to Presidents that the Presidents don't actually have a hand in.

    Trying with health care is still a lot better than "nothing". I find your claims of "nothing" dubious, at best. You just mean nothing that you like.
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    Re: Obama State of the Union

    Quote Originally Posted by AgentM View Post
    Yeah, there are lots of decisions accredited to Presidents that the Presidents don't actually have a hand in.

    Trying with health care is still a lot better than "nothing". I find your claims of "nothing" dubious, at best. You just mean nothing that you like.
    No, it's literally nothing. The only things that were actually done were the auto bailouts and the stimulus, both of which were totally ineffective.
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    Re: Obama State of the Union

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    My question is about the tax cuts.

    What tax cuts?

    He's not talking about the one time tax CREDIT of 400 or 800 is he?
    Maybe, I know Bush and Repubs crowed when they gave a 300 doolar one. Tax cuts???Why its basically the same rate now as when Bush the Tax Buster was in office.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pugetsoundwa View Post
    Maybe, I know Bush and Repubs crowed when they gave a 300 doolar one. Tax cuts???Why its basically the same rate now as when Bush the Tax Buster was in office.
    Bush passed two comprehensive tax cuts, and the unemployment rate in the last recession topped out at around 6%.
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    Re: Obama State of the Union

    Quote Originally Posted by gopman View Post
    No, it's literally nothing.
    You're just being partisan, at this point.
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    Re: Obama State of the Union

    Quote Originally Posted by AgentM View Post
    You're just being partisan, at this point.
    I would argue that claiming that trying really hard to pass a bill is an accomplishment is partisan.
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    Re: Obama State of the Union

    Quote Originally Posted by pugetsoundwa View Post
    Maybe, I know Bush and Repubs crowed when they gave a 300 doolar one. Tax cuts???Why its basically the same rate now as when Bush the Tax Buster was in office.
    Actually I thought the rebate was rather idiotic when Bush did it.

    And yes, the tax rate is the same as when Bush was in office, because his tax cuts are still in place. Which will be itneresting to see if Obama and the congress allow them to expire, causing increased taxes on almost everyone, but yet somehow blame that on Bush as well.

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    Re: Obama State of the Union

    Quote Originally Posted by drz-400 View Post
    I was at least glad he made financial reform seem like an important topic. I would really like to see this done. I am also glad he has suggested more investment tax credits and a payroll tax cut for those who hire. Those are good common sense policies right now in my opinion.
    In the past year we have found out what Obama says and what happens is 2 different things.

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    Re: Obama State of the Union

    Quote Originally Posted by AgentM View Post
    Yeah, there are lots of decisions accredited to Presidents that the Presidents don't actually have a hand in.

    Trying with health care is still a lot better than "nothing". I find your claims of "nothing" dubious, at best. You just mean nothing that you like.
    Nothing is better than his government take over

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