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Most Union Members Now Work for Government [edited]

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Most government employees are unionized than the private sector. And you wonder why we are being screwed by the government:doh
For the first time in American history, a majority of union members are government workers rather than private-sector employees, the Bureau of Labor Statistics announced on Friday.

In its annual report on union membership, the bureau undercut the longstanding notion that union members are overwhelmingly blue-collar factory workers. It found that membership fell so fast in the private sector in 2009 that the 7.9 million unionized public-sector workers easily outnumbered those in the private sector, where labor’s ranks shrank to 7.4 million, from 8.2 million in 2008.

“There has been steady growth among union members in the public sector, but I’m a little bit shocked to see that the lines have actually crossed,” said Randel K. Johnson, senior vice president for labor at the United States Chamber of Commerce.

According to the labor bureau, 7.2 percent of private-sector workers were union members last year, down from 7.6 percent the previous year. That, labor historians said, was the lowest percentage of private-sector workers in unions since 1900.

Among government workers, union membership grew to 37.4 percent last year, from 36.8 percent in 2008.

Most Union Members Now Work for Government - NYTimes.com
 
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Most government employees are unionized than the private sector. And you wonder why we are being screwed by the government:doh

We were being screwed long before this. Government employees being unionized has nothing to do with it.
 
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We were being screwed long before this. Government employees being unionized has nothing to do with it.

It has a lot to do with it. What do you think it means for us taxpayers when a public employee gets as pension 70% of his or her highest salary? When the majority of private employees are lucky to even get 30%.

And another thing that helps screws us is the fact that most public contracts go to friends of the politician who will pay whatever the contractor asks for so long as the contractor gives some of the money back to the politician. Which helps add to us being screwed.
 
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It has a lot to do with it. What do you think it means for us taxpayers when a public employee gets as pension 70% of his or her highest salary? When the majority of private employees are lucky to even get 30%.

Government employee pensions make up what percent of Federal spending?

Now compare that to all of the other spending our government does.

You just don't like unions. That's fine. But don't pretend government employee unions are the cause of our problems.
 
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What do you think it means for us taxpayers when a public employee gets as pension 70% of his or her highest salary?

It means we as taxpayers approved it.

You should have a chat with your fellow taxpayers and tell them to quit approving things you don't like ;)
 
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Government employee pensions make up what percent of Federal spending?

Now compare that to all of the other spending our government does.

You just don't like unions. That's fine. But don't pretend government employee unions are the cause of our problems.

Not really the cause but a product of the cause and it hurts. Because union employees get better perks than we do and the fact that many of the public sector has a tendency of saying "we are taxpayers too!" really upsets me. Because if it wasn't for our income they wouldn't have one. And really it wasn't just on a federal level, it's more on a state level that these unions are really felt.
 
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Not really the cause but a product of the cause and it hurts. Because union employees get better perks than we do and the fact that many of the public sector has a tendency of saying "we are taxpayers too!" really upsets me. Because if it wasn't for our income they wouldn't have one. And really it wasn't just on a federal level, it's more on a state level that these unions are really felt.

Blame the voters. They're the ones who approved this.
 
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A lot of states/cities have made it illegal for public employees to belong to unions. The federal government should follow suit.
 
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A lot of states/cities have made it illegal for public employees to belong to unions. The federal government should follow suit.

why do you think it should be illegal for federal employees to be unionized?
 
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Because they provide public services.
 
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Because they provide public services.

So do cops, fireman, and nurses. Many of them are unionized. Why should they not be able to unionize and fight for their benefits and rights? They have families, mortgages, medical expenses, etc... just like everyone else.
 
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Because they provide public services.

why should that deprive them of a right to collectively bargain?
 
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On the one hand, unions have had a tradition of improving the living conditions of its workers. Adam Smith maintained that ALL resources are exploitable, and I don't see that any exception can be made for workers who wish to exploit their own ability to do labor, which is also a resource. If corporations can be created to exploit their abilities, then I see nothing wrong with unions being created, which exploit their own abilities.

However, having said that, I am pretty much torn when it comes to government. Unions do add to the bloat of government spending. Not much, but by Liberals saying that we only spend a little, it is synonymous with Bush supporters who said that we only torture a little. If we are going to commit to reduce government spending, then YES, unions in government must also be looked at. Everything must be evaluated, and unions don't get a free pass here.
 
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why do you think it should be illegal for federal employees to be unionized?

Because the whole purpose of government jobs are to provide services for the public, not to provide an artificially high level of compensation to the people holding those jobs. Having people monopolize the labor force at taxpayer expense is a waste of public resources.
 
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Because the whole purpose of government jobs are to provide services for the public, not to provide an artificially high level of compensation to the people holding those jobs. Having people monopolize the labor force at taxpayer expense is a waste of public resources.

i missed it. please point out something which shows us the unions enable artificially high levels of compensation instead of providing public service

how do public employees monoploize the labor force?

how are they wasting the public's resources?
 
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On the one hand, unions have had a tradition of improving the living conditions of its workers. Adam Smith maintained that ALL resources are exploitable, and I don't see that any exception can be made for workers who wish to exploit their own ability to do labor, which is also a resource. If corporations can be created to exploit their abilities, then I see nothing wrong with unions being created, which exploit their own abilities.

However, having said that, I am pretty much torn when it comes to government. Unions do add to the bloat of government spending. Not much, but by Liberals saying that we only spend a little, it is synonymous with Bush supporters who said that we only torture a little. If we are going to commit to reduce government spending, then YES, unions in government must also be looked at. Everything must be evaluated, and unions don't get a free pass here.

The bass player from Spinal Tap is right. This is a very reasoned post that addresses all of the problems instead of just using the old "blame the unions" rhetoric we seem to always get from the GOP.

Nice post. Now gimme that bass line from Big Bottom.

EDIT: Ooops. It could also be Lemmy from Motorhead.
 
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i missed it. please point out something which shows us the unions enable artificially high levels of compensation instead of providing public service

how do public employees monoploize the labor force?

how are they wasting the public's resources?

1. look at the automotive industry
2. leftists.. look at the growth industry today... .gov is the ONLY growing job market, and .gov is a total parasitic organism void of ANY productivity exists only to expand it's reach, scope and power.
3. federal government outside that provided by the constitution is not only unconstitutional it is a drain on the GDP...

Unions long ago gave up the fight for workers and took on the role of institutional rape of various industries, municipalities and the minds of the young and impressionable.

Union LEADERS and their associations with global elitists and leftists in general are the problem.. NOT the workers!
 
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1. look at the automotive industry
please point out the public employees who work in the auto industry. find some and your comparison would be a legitimate one. until then, it is illegitimate

2. leftists.. look at the growth industry today... .gov is the ONLY growing job market, and .gov is a total parasitic organism void of ANY productivity exists only to expand it's reach, scope and power.
somebody did not read the linked article closely, otherwise they would have found this:
Notwithstanding the recession, government employment grew last year, inching up 16,000, to 22,516,000, according to the bureau.
16 000 / 22 516 000 = 0.000710605791 ... a .07% federal union growth rate. a real stunner

and you tell us that the government is a parasitic organism without purpose other than to expand. that knock on your door could be the secret service wanting to speak with you about your unseemly views of the government
3. federal government outside that provided by the constitution is not only unconstitutional it is a drain on the GDP...
ok. i'll look forward to an exhaustive post identifying all of the government entitles which are disallowed by the Constitution. with you around to make these calls, who needs the supreme court


Unions long ago gave up the fight for workers and took on the role of institutional rape of various industries, municipalities and the minds of the young and impressionable.
not sure what your point is here other than to vent your anti-union animus
the topic is that the magnitude of the public sector unions has exceeded the presence of the private industry unions ... yet you are villifying both. and doing a piss poor job of it, too, proving a little bit of ignorance goes a long, long way. here's a hint. offer up a supportable rebuttal expressing why unions are detrimental to our society

Union LEADERS and their associations with global elitists and leftists in general are the problem.. NOT the workers!
wow, i'm a union official, and am neither elite nor leftist, and seldom am i a problem. and before retirement, i was a worker ... as are MOST union officials
 
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So do cops, fireman, and nurses. Many of them are unionized. Why should they not be able to unionize and fight for their benefits and rights? They have families, mortgages, medical expenses, etc... just like everyone else.

It's not about the people. It's about the nature of the work they do.
 
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I'm not following you?

Because it interferes with services provided by the government, AND the ability of the taxpayers to control how/why tax money is spent.
 
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Because it interferes with services provided by the government, AND the ability of the taxpayers to control how/why tax money is spent.

Ah, okay. Got it now. Well it could interfere, but the main interference a union has over services is the ability to strike. I know sanitation workers have gone on strike before, but I'm pretty sure Police Officers and Fireman can't strike. If they have I haven't heard of it?
 
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I'm not following you?

He feels the IRS is an essential service where the public safety would be harmed if the unionized members of the IRS went on strike
 
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He feels the IRS is an essential service where the public safety would be harmed if the unionized members of the IRS went on strike

Yeah. Wouldn't that be horrible?! :mrgreen:
 
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Ah, okay. Got it now. Well it could interfere, but the main interference a union has over services is the ability to strike. I know sanitation workers have gone on strike before, but I'm pretty sure Police Officers and Fireman can't strike. If they have I haven't heard of it?

Actually, police officers have gone on strike many times. You never heard of "The blue flu"? LOL.
 
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