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    Re: Most Union Members Now Work for Government [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Besides, if government is so wonderful and should have so much charge of our lives, why would government employees NEED unions?
    it government were always wonderful, then the employees would not NEED unions
    but, the public sector employer can and does sometimes exploit its employees, which has caused the employees to petition for an election to become represented by a union
    after which a democratic vote would have been held, in which the majority of the employees determined that a union should represent their interests
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    Re: Great News!

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    the same. i understand your trepidation
    A more accurate term would be nausea, since you are considered a troll - and have been banned for such - more than once, from more than one board.

    the monopoly enjoyed by the employer has nothing to do with the right to unionize collective bargaining allows the employee to have a more level playing field relative to his/her conditions of employment on the job site; whether a public or a private concern
    Meaningless nonsense. The city is there to provide services first and foremost, as efficiently as possible and at as lowest cost as possible - this is a higher level of consideration that any other.

    sure you can. in my community, on a state line, they do it all the time, to avoid paying taxes. they then often commute to the destination they left to enjoy the benefits and services of the destination they left
    Tell me how many public school choices are offered, police forces, fire depts., garbage collection, road repair, street light repair etc, are available. These are fundamental civic services for which only the municipality provides for. You are wasting your time trying to debate me with this, and your trolling reputation long precedes your posts here...

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    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    why should this be found as a trolling post:

    that it asks questions, which answers undermine your position, does not constitute trolling

    and go on ahead and count the other forums. tell us all the forums from which i have been expelled and for what reasons. or is it that you would you prefer to attack the messenger when you are unable to dislodge the message
    It is a trolling post because it is asking questions on page 6 of a thread addressed earlier.

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    Re: Most Union Members Now Work for Government [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    and you as a resident can choose to reside elsewhere ... nothing forces you to reside in a locale which tolerates unionization in its public sector
    That's like saying becuase i do not like how my gov't functions - i will move.

    WRONG.

    You fix the government, gov't is for the benefit of all, not just the public unions.

    wrong again. the employee pays the union dues. not the employer. usually, the dues are withheld from the employee's paycheck
    Troll, where does EVERY NICKEL from the "employer", i.e, city come from?

    TAXPAYERS.

    the union does not lobby against your interests. the union advocates for the employees' interests
    Which I as a taxpayer pay for, and cause the city to have to spend MORE to provide basic services.

    Anything that causes the city to have to raise MORE taxes to pay for these services IS against my interests.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    how is there a conflict of interest? show us your definition which proves that alleged conflict/ those communities fall on financial hard times, and you blame that on the unions. an absurd conclusion. please point to any instance where the union had a right to impose the conditions which led to the present financial morass in any of those communities
    For others than the troll, all of the locations, particularly NY, are now spending the vast majority of their budgets on union salaries and benefits.

    These locations are broke, and all have the highest tax levels in the country. Not too hard to figure out, if you are interested in a real conversation, and not trolling. Can't wait for you to get banned here too...

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    Re: Great News!

    Quote Originally Posted by Gray_Fox_86 View Post
    It has a lot to do with it. What do you think it means for us taxpayers when a public employee gets as pension 70% of his or her highest salary? When the majority of private employees are lucky to even get 30%.

    And another thing that helps screws us is the fact that most public contracts go to friends of the politician who will pay whatever the contractor asks for so long as the contractor gives some of the money back to the politician. Which helps add to us being screwed.
    I didn't see the source for your statement here, could you provide it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I didn't see the source for your statement here, could you provide it?
    American, I'll do you one better; there are public unions that get 90% of their last year's salary, rather than an average of say, the last 3 years, and can retire as young as 50, or in some places - even FORTY(!).

    This way they can load up on overtime their last year before retiring, and boost their pension payout significantly:

    Bad data, unfounded fears fueled pension crisis - News - The Orange County Register

    "Some other states are also wrestling with retirement costs. But California is the only one that allows nearly all public safety workers to retire at age 50 with 90 percent of their salaries."

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    Even better, in NY state you can go online and see the pensions being paid out, many are as high as $500,000!!! Just insane, and of course, totally unsustainable...
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    Re: Great News!

    Quote Originally Posted by rogerredy View Post
    A more accurate term would be nausea, since you are considered a troll - and have been banned for such - more than once, from more than one board.
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    Re: Great News!

    Quote Originally Posted by rogerredy View Post
    American, I'll do you one better; there are public unions that get 90% of their last year's salary, rather than an average of say, the last 3 years, and can retire as young as 50, or in some places - even FORTY(!).

    This way they can load up on overtime their last year before retiring, and boost their pension payout significantly:

    Bad data, unfounded fears fueled pension crisis - News - The Orange County Register

    "Some other states are also wrestling with retirement costs. But California is the only one that allows nearly all public safety workers to retire at age 50 with 90 percent of their salaries."

    -------------------------------------------------

    Even better, in NY state you can go online and see the pensions being paid out, many are as high as $500,000!!! Just insane, and of course, totally unsustainable...
    So this is all about California?
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    Re: Great News!

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    So this is all about California?
    Its a nationwide issue, but the liberal, blue states with large, unionized public workforces have the most extreme problem of it.

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