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    Re: Great News!

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    why do you think it should be illegal for federal employees to be unionized?
    Ugh, not even sure why I'm responding, if you are the same poster from politicalforum.com.

    For the others, a municipality has a monopoly on basic services, like police, fire, transportation, etc.

    Also, cities are SERVICE providers, NOT job providers.

    Therefore, as a citizen I cannot choose to take my business over to another entity whose services are provided cheaper, better, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    i missed it. please point out something which shows us the unions enable artificially high levels of compensation instead of providing public service

    how do public employees monoploize the labor force?

    how are they wasting the public's resources?
    And its trolling nonsense that got this guy expelled from I cannot count how many other forums...

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    Re: Most Union Members Now Work for Government [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    well that's not too surprising. Unions are corporatist entities that tend to choke and kill the industries to which they are parasitically latched. it makes sense that over time the only union employer left standing would be the one not subject to competition.

    frankly, if you are a public employee, you should not be allowed to unionize. your job exists for the good of the citizenry, not you. that's why they call it public service.
    Good post. Read my earlier post in this thread form the City Journal, in NYC public workers could not even form a union until the 50s - and even private sector unions did not believe it to be a wise idea....

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    Re: Most Union Members Now Work for Government [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I would disagree in that, with all the corporations that have been run into the ground (AIG, Enron, Bear Stearns, etc), it is actually the CEO's who are the parasites. Many of the ones that are still standing are still sucking on the government tit too.
    But you're missing the point, a company can be the WORST pos on earth, you as a consumer can choose to shop elsewhere.

    With a public union, it is a MONOPOLIST, so you cannot avoid it. And if the fact that it is your tax dollars that are being used to pay the union members' dues - which are then used to lobby against your interests and inflate their lifetime perks, benefits and pensions, you'd have to be nuts.

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    Re: Great News!

    Quote Originally Posted by Areopagitican View Post
    A Union composed of Federal Employees is a contradiction of terms. Literally the last, and I mean the last, employer I expect to exploit workers is the Federal Government. What purpose would that serve, for anyone? If you pamper public sector employees they are more likely to vote for you. If you pamper them, they're more likely to provide your constiuents with better service. Win-win-win. Besides, as a politician, you aren't even using your own money! Triple win, again!

    And a public sector job is, by definition, hardly a sweatshop! But apparently... We need sweatshop levels of unionizing. It just defies common sense.
    Wonderful post, someone truly gets it. It is BY DEFINITION, a conflict of interest for public sectors to be allowed to unionize.

    THAT'S why it is only a recent thing that they can - and as Detroit, Oregon, California, NYC/NY State, and others are now finding, it was a costly, colossal mistake to allow it.

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    Re: Most Union Members Now Work for Government [edited]

    Besides, if government is so wonderful and should have so much charge of our lives, why would government employees NEED unions?
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    Re: Great News!

    Quote Originally Posted by rogerredy View Post
    Ugh, not even sure why I'm responding, if you are the same poster from politicalforum.com.
    the same. i understand your trepidation

    For the others, a municipality has a monopoly on basic services, like police, fire, transportation, etc.
    the monopoly enjoyed by the employer has nothing to do with the right to unionize
    collective bargaining allows the employee to have a more level playing field relative to his/her conditions of employment on the job site; whether a public or a private concern

    Also, cities are SERVICE providers, NOT job providers.
    other than temp worker and placement companies, there is no entity which serves as its purpose to hire employees
    government agencies have workers. and to level the playing field of those workers there are unions

    Therefore, as a citizen I cannot choose to take my business over to another entity whose services are provided cheaper, better, etc.
    sure you can. in my community, on a state line, they do it all the time, to avoid paying taxes. they then often commute to the destination they left to enjoy the benefits and services of the destination they left
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    Re: Great News!

    Quote Originally Posted by rogerredy View Post
    And its trolling nonsense that got this guy expelled from I cannot count how many other forums...
    why should this be found as a trolling post:
    Originally Posted by justabubba
    i missed it. please point out something which shows us the unions enable artificially high levels of compensation instead of providing public service

    how do public employees monoploize the labor force?

    how are they wasting the public's resources?
    that it asks questions, which answers undermine your position, does not constitute trolling


    and go on ahead and count the other forums. tell us all the forums from which i have been expelled and for what reasons. or is it that you would you prefer to attack the messenger when you are unable to dislodge the message
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: Most Union Members Now Work for Government [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by rogerredy View Post
    But you're missing the point, a company can be the WORST pos on earth, you as a consumer can choose to shop elsewhere.


    Wth a public union, it is a MONOPOLIST, so you cannot avoid it.
    and you as a resident can choose to reside elsewhere ... nothing forces you to reside in a locale which tolerates unionization in its public sector


    And if the fact that it is your tax dollars that are being used to pay the union members' dues - which are then used to lobby against your interests and inflate their lifetime perks, benefits and pensions, you'd have to be nuts.
    wrong again. the employee pays the union dues. not the employer. usually, the dues are withheld from the employee's paycheck
    the union does not lobby against your interests. the union advocates for the employees' interests
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: Great News!

    Originally Posted by Areopagitican
    A Union composed of Federal Employees is a contradiction of terms. Literally the last, and I mean the last, employer I expect to exploit workers is the Federal Government. What purpose would that serve, for anyone? If you pamper public sector employees they are more likely to vote for you. If you pamper them, they're more likely to provide your constiuents with better service. Win-win-win. Besides, as a politician, you aren't even using your own money! Triple win, again!

    And a public sector job is, by definition, hardly a sweatshop! But apparently... We need sweatshop levels of unionizing. It just defies common sense.

    Quote Originally Posted by rogerredy View Post
    Wonderful post, someone truly gets it. It is BY DEFINITION, a conflict of interest for public sectors to be allowed to unionize.
    how is there a conflict of interest? show us your definition which proves that alleged conflict


    THAT'S why it is only a recent thing that they can - and as Detroit, Oregon, California, NYC/NY State, and others are now finding, it was a costly, colossal mistake to allow it.
    those communities fall on financial hard times, and you blame that on the unions. an absurd conclusion. please point to any instance where the union had a right to impose the conditions which led to the present financial morass in any of those communities
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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