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    Re: Great News!

    Quote Originally Posted by Gray_Fox_86 View Post
    maybe 70% is just the way it works in illinois, but still way to much.
    or the person might be a retired Military....50% from the military plus whatever from Civil Service. That isn't quite the same though as Military pays 50% of a base pay not 50% of total pay. Gets kinda complicated unless you have served and understand...

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    or have 30 in the military.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    He feels the IRS is an essential service where the public safety would be harmed if the unionized members of the IRS went on strike
    Right. That's exactly what I was talking about -- the IRS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    i missed it. please point out something which shows us the unions enable artificially high levels of compensation instead of providing public service
    If they aren't, then what purpose does the union serve? Unions exist to get better pay, better conditions, and more job security for their members. Those things aren't free...someone pays for them. If it's something that the employer would do anyway to attract/retain employees, then the union is useless. If it's something that the employer would not otherwise do, then they're overpaying.

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba
    how do public employees monoploize the labor force?
    Everyone in the job MUST belong to the union. Thus the customer (i.e. the government) has no choice who to buy the product (i.e. the employee) from, because there is no competition. This drives prices to artificially high levels.

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba
    how are they wasting the public's resources?
    Anytime the government pays more for a service than they could have on an open market, they are overpaying and wasting public resources.
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    Re: Great News!

    A Union composed of Federal Employees is a contradiction of terms. Literally the last, and I mean the last, employer I expect to exploit workers is the Federal Government. What purpose would that serve, for anyone? If you pamper public sector employees they are more likely to vote for you. If you pamper them, they're more likely to provide your constiuents with better service. Win-win-win. Besides, as a politician, you aren't even using your own money! Triple win, again!

    And a public sector job is, by definition, hardly a sweatshop! But apparently... We need sweatshop levels of unionizing. It just defies common sense.

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    Re: Most Union Members Now Work for Government [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gray_Fox_86 View Post
    Most government employees are unionized than the private sector. And you wonder why we are being screwed by the government


    Most Union Members Now Work for Government - NYTimes.com
    Public unions are a total disaster for the US. I can think of few other issues that will destroy the country faster, with these diseased, wretched cancers plaguing the ability of government to function - and requiring ever higher taxes to support their endless greed.

    The Real Engine of Blue America by Steven Malanga, City Journal Winter 2005

    "But within this coalition, one group stands out as increasingly powerful and not quite in step with the old politics of the Left: those who benefit from an expanding government, including public-sector employees, workers at organizations that survive off government money, and those who receive government benefits. In cities, especially, this group has seized power from the taxpayers, as the vast expansion of the public sector that has taken place since the beginning of the War on Poverty has finally reached a tipping point."

    Americans need to wake up and recognize that this metastasizing cancer is destroying the country's underpinnings from within, and the recent Oregon vote to increase taxes on the wealthy - in a state with over 11% unemployment no less, good job idiots - is a perfect example of this.

    The public sector workers' unions including teachers, hospital workers, social services' workers, bus and subway workers, etc., are now receiving salaries and benefits far outstripping their private sector versions, and this situation has, as the linked article attests, has reached the breaking point.

    Since cities are by definition monopolies, the services they provide are monopolistic, and therefore, their workers cannot be unionized.

    It is time to take back the country from the Al Sharptons who prefer to keep the cash flows coming, and the union workers retiring at 45 with COLA-adjusted lifetime pensions and free health benefits...

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    Re: Great News!

    Quote Originally Posted by Gray_Fox_86 View Post
    Not really the cause but a product of the cause and it hurts. Because union employees get better perks than we do and the fact that many of the public sector has a tendency of saying "we are taxpayers too!" really upsets me. Because if it wasn't for our income they wouldn't have one. And really it wasn't just on a federal level, it's more on a state level that these unions are really felt.
    They also usually make less, and your job is first on the block when **** hits the fan. It's a trade off
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    Re: Most Union Members Now Work for Government [edited]

    Yesterday's WSJ had a fantastic letter to the editor, about how a 67-year old who still had to work - albeit now at a job at 1/2 the salary he was making 10 years ago after getting laid off, has to now pay higher taxes in Oregon so as to sustain COLA-adjusted pensions and free lifetime health benefits for public employees who retired 30 years ago at age 50.

    Yeah, that'll help keep the country's fabric woven tight.

    And Obama and the democrats cannot stop feeding the public union pigs at the trough...

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    Re: Great News!

    Quote Originally Posted by Winnb View Post
    Government employee pensions make up what percent of Federal spending?

    Now compare that to all of the other spending our government does.

    You just don't like unions. That's fine. But don't pretend government employee unions are the cause of our problems.
    WRONG. In NY state, education and medicaid are the 2 largest segments of the state budget, and both are driven by pensions, benefits, and salaries for unionized public workers.

    Even better, in Oregon, over 80% of the money spent on education goes toward the teacher's salary and benefits. No wonder the teacher's unions spent over $6 MM to get prop 66/67 passed, they knew they'd get FAR more back in theft from the taxpayers - all in a state with over 11% unemployment, in the top of the country. BRILLIANT.

    Research before writing on this topic again.

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    Re: Great News!

    Quote Originally Posted by CrusaderRabbit08 View Post
    Blame the voters. They're the ones who approved this.
    What voters? Did I approve their benefits? No voter did, they were approved, frequently in backroom deals to obtain their votes for the criminal politicians...

    If there was EVER an issue that needed addressing, this would be it.

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