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Thread: Most Union Members Now Work for Government [edited]

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    Re: Great News!

    Quote Originally Posted by Winnb View Post
    I'm not following you?
    Because it interferes with services provided by the government, AND the ability of the taxpayers to control how/why tax money is spent.
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    Re: Great News!

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Because it interferes with services provided by the government, AND the ability of the taxpayers to control how/why tax money is spent.
    Ah, okay. Got it now. Well it could interfere, but the main interference a union has over services is the ability to strike. I know sanitation workers have gone on strike before, but I'm pretty sure Police Officers and Fireman can't strike. If they have I haven't heard of it?
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    Re: Great News!

    Quote Originally Posted by Winnb View Post
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    He feels the IRS is an essential service where the public safety would be harmed if the unionized members of the IRS went on strike

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    He feels the IRS is an essential service where the public safety would be harmed if the unionized members of the IRS went on strike
    Yeah. Wouldn't that be horrible?!
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    Re: Great News!

    Quote Originally Posted by Winnb View Post
    Ah, okay. Got it now. Well it could interfere, but the main interference a union has over services is the ability to strike. I know sanitation workers have gone on strike before, but I'm pretty sure Police Officers and Fireman can't strike. If they have I haven't heard of it?
    Actually, police officers have gone on strike many times. You never heard of "The blue flu"? LOL.
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    Re: Great News!

    Quote Originally Posted by Winnb View Post
    The bass player from Spinal Tap is right. This is a very reasoned post that addresses all of the problems instead of just using the old "blame the unions" rhetoric we seem to always get from the GOP.

    Nice post. Now gimme that bass line from Big Bottom.

    EDIT: Ooops. It could also be Lemmy from Motorhead.
    Nope. Not from Spinal Tap. Don't have the right accent.

    Actually, for much of my life, my accent was pure Michigan. Then I moved to Texas, and have been here for so long, that my accent now is half Michigan, and half Texas. Now what is about halfway between Michigan and Texas? That would be Tennessee. Yup, you guessed it right. I am really a hillbilly.
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    Re: Most Union Members Now Work for Government [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gray_Fox_86 View Post
    Most government employees are unionized than the private sector.
    well that's not too surprising. Unions are corporatist entities that tend to choke and kill the industries to which they are parasitically latched. it makes sense that over time the only union employer left standing would be the one not subject to competition.

    frankly, if you are a public employee, you should not be allowed to unionize. your job exists for the good of the citizenry, not you. that's why they call it public service.

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    Re: Most Union Members Now Work for Government [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    well that's not too surprising. Unions are corporatist entities that tend to choke and kill the industries to which they are parasitically latched. it makes sense that over time the only union employer left standing would be the one not subject to competition.

    frankly, if you are a public employee, you should not be allowed to unionize. your job exists for the good of the citizenry, not you. that's why they call it public service.
    I would disagree in that, with all the corporations that have been run into the ground (AIG, Enron, Bear Stearns, etc), it is actually the CEO's who are the parasites. Many of the ones that are still standing are still sucking on the government tit too.
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    Re: Great News!

    Quote Originally Posted by Gray_Fox_86 View Post
    It has a lot to do with it. What do you think it means for us taxpayers when a public employee gets as pension 70% of his or her highest salary? When the majority of private employees are lucky to even get 30%.
    70%??? I am a Govt Employee. If I put in 20 yrs I will get 20%. Since I have military time I will get around 32% for 20 yrs of Govt work now. You get a extra 1% for each yr over 20. So to earn 70% one would be a very old person indeed.

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    Re: Great News!

    Quote Originally Posted by pugetsoundwa View Post
    70%??? I am a Govt Employee. If I put in 20 yrs I will get 20%. Since I have military time I will get around 32% for 20 yrs of Govt work now. You get a extra 1% for each yr over 20. So to earn 70% one would be a very old person indeed.
    maybe 70% is just the way it works in illinois, but still way to much.

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