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    Re: Great News!

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    They get double representation at the expense of their non unionized fellow citizens.

    They can possibly affect policy which can influence their future employment.
    It's completely unethical.
    Wonderful post, its so obvious to those who can think/want an honest discussion, right?

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    Re: Great News!

    Quote Originally Posted by rogerredy View Post
    Wonderful post, its so obvious to those who can think/want an honest discussion, right?
    It's similar to senators and house reps voting on their own pay raises regardless of performance.

    I can't see how anyone would support that.
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    Re: Most Union Members Now Work for Government [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by rogerredy View Post
    I can respond to anyone, at any time, as per my discretion. If you are lucky enough to receive a response, consider yourself fortunate.

    Post something rational, and I might respond.
    ok, in which post were you lying
    the previous one in which you proudly declared you put me on ignore
    or the one above
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    Re: Most Union Members Now Work for Government [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by rogerredy View Post
    It is stupid posts like this that illustrate why I avoid this poster.
    we notice from your reply how well you avoid my posts

    Look up BINDING ARBITRATION, you might actually learn something.
    i represent bargaining unit members during arbitrations. what is it your definition is to teach me relative to this topic: Most Union Members Now Work for Government [edited]

    Don't make idiotic statements unless you have the facts behind you.
    ok. point out the idiotic statement which you believe to be non-factual, and share with us what about it should be found without basis in fact
    or is that just a phrase that has been directed toward you so frequently you thought you should haphazardly direct it toward another


    Can you make more idiotically useless generalizations than this, that have no basis in fact?
    ok, here is what i said, which resulted in your above derision. please point out what is unfactual about what i have presented:
    that is because the public entities are usually headed by political appointees, who stay only for the duration of the term of the elected official who appointed them. they frequently come into an organization knowing little to nothing about the entity they are to head. they often bring with them a retinue of hangers on who also serve at the whim of the elected official. knowing little about what the organization they are to manage does, they frequently insist on doing some of the things they should not. the appointees often make inappropriate, politically motivated decisions an experienced learder would not make
    then the managers, career employees, who report to these appointed officials, must salute and follow their legal orders, no matter how wrongheaded those orders may be
    and the rank and file union members must follow the managers' legal orders - unless the union contract provides for a different way to handle those matters ... such as how to hire people, and how to promote people, and how to solicit contributions. by having a contract specifying what can and cannot be done by the employees, it limits some of the harm that might otherwise be inflicted on the organization and the organization's ethics, by the political appointees
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: Most Union Members Now Work for Government [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    we notice from your reply how well you avoid my posts
    Still waiting, along with the other thread posters, what year you plan on addressing the earlier posts, particular the article link I posted. Sure, I'll hold my breath...

    i represent bargaining unit members during arbitrations. what is it your definition is to teach me relative to this topic:
    You claimed that employers cannot be forced into a contract, this is clearly false. Binding arbitration is one method, another is the Department of Labor/government can order an employer to accept a union's offering.

    Regardless, this is, as usual for your nonsense, OFF-TOPIC.

    This thread is for PUBLIC UNIONS. You cannot seem to do 2 things, stop attacking posters personally, and sticking to the thread topic.

    And you wonder why your credibility is non existent, you just keep getting banned like this:

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    Re: Most Union Members Now Work for Government [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by rogerredy View Post
    Good post. Read my earlier post in this thread form the City Journal, in NYC public workers could not even form a union until the 50s - and even private sector unions did not believe it to be a wise idea....
    yeah, we need to get the executive order authorizing federal employees to unionize revoked.

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    Re: Most Union Members Now Work for Government [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I would disagree in that, with all the corporations that have been run into the ground (AIG, Enron, Bear Stearns, etc), it is actually the CEO's who are the parasites. Many of the ones that are still standing are still sucking on the government tit too.
    certainly you have cases of corruption at the top; but it is unions who irrevocably over time can destroy a company beyond it's ability to recover.

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    Re: Most Union Members Now Work for Government [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by rogerredy View Post
    Still waiting, along with the other thread posters, what year you plan on addressing the earlier posts, particular the article link I posted. Sure, I'll hold my breath...
    which posts and what articles have i ignored? please point them out. post number(s) will be adequate

    You claimed that employers cannot be forced into a contract, this is clearly false. Binding arbitration is one method, another is the Department of Labor/government can order an employer to accept a union's offering.
    actually, here is what happens in the federal sector when the two parties are unable to negotiate one or more provisions of their contract and declare an impasse
    the federal mediation and conciliation service is brought in. they probe and prod each side to see if they can't convince the parties to find agreement
    once this is concluded the FMCS notifies the federal impasses panel that the parties are at impasse
    the parties then submit their last proposals for the impasse panel to decide which one it will order to be implemented
    my experience is, the party with the more unreasonable final proposal usually loses before the impasse panel

    Regardless, this is, as usual for your nonsense, OFF-TOPIC.
    it seems you want to discuss the nuances of union activities for public organizations until you realize that you have nothing to offer in rebuttal when prompted to defend your spurious pronouncements
    but point out the off-topic character of my posts; illuminate us all

    This thread is for PUBLIC UNIONS.
    have i not repeatedly addressed the inner workings of public unions and why they are a positive influence

    You cannot seem to do 2 things, stop attacking posters personally, and sticking to the thread topic.
    such as insisting that i put you on ignore because of what was stated in your signature
    ooops ... that's what you did - to me. supposedly
    i guess in your world that would be found 'on topic' discussion, giving you a 'right' to insist others are going off topic when they reply to such absurdity

    or maybe, your idea of staying on-topic is introducing that the forum member has been banished from another forum. maybe you can explain how that would be found on-topic

    And you wonder why your credibility is non existent, you just keep getting banned like this:

    Political Forum - View Profile: justabubba
    you insist that i keep getting banned ... but where else have i been banished ... or is this another one of your unsupportable statements, being unable to point to my keeping getting banned. it requires more than one place for such a statement not to be found bogus on its face

    again, you will come up empty ... but you will probably then resume your whining because i followed you into an off-topic arena
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: Most Union Members Now Work for Government [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    which posts and what articles have i ignored? please point them out. post number(s) will be adequate
    There have been some 15-20 posts here, including the link to the article i posted in this thread, where you have yet to address any of the points in them.

    actually, here is what happens in the federal sector
    We were focusing on the local/states...

    it seems you want to discuss the nuances of union activities for public organizations until you realize that you have nothing to offer in rebuttal
    The requisite personal slur/insult. I can see why you were ejected from pofo.com...

    Guess you just decided to scroll past and avoid the last 10 pages of posts...accusing others of being without an argument, yet you've avoided the posts of some 5-10 people, good try...

    have i not repeatedly addressed the inner workings of public unions and why they are a positive influence
    The requisite slur, then the flame-bait, yeah, you're firing on all cylinders...

    such as insisting that i put you on ignore because of what was stated in your signature
    <I> decide who and what i will respond to, not you sweetie...

    you insist that i keep getting banned ... but where else have i been banished ...
    Political Forum - US & World Politics Forum

    Guess reading and detail orientation is not important with you, its been posted multiple times already...

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    Re: Most Union Members Now Work for Government [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    A union exists for one reason and one reason alone -- to get its members the most compensation for the least amount of work. Any formulation you want to put on it, it boils down to that.
    And what is wrong with that?

    Is that not the entire point of a capitalist economic system?

    To ensure the highest possible returns (ie profits) on what ever goods and services you sell. In the case of union members it is their labour

    Ford wants to make as much money as possible on the cars it sells, should not the people who assemble said cars seek to make as much money as possible for the labour they sell

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