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Police arrest football fan for rooting the wrong team!

Ikari said:
The cops should be fined and suspended for a brief amount of time for illegal arrest.
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Why? We don't know why they arrested the guy. It could have been for public drunkeness or disorderly conduct. There are rules in stadiums and they were just enforcing them. Seems to me the guy brought it on himself and acted like he was intoxicated.
 
Seems to me that the guy was cheering for the Jets. I kinda thought maybe that was legal at a Jets/Chargers game. Maybe we're rewriting the rules so that people can't cheer for the away team. But I haven't been notified of that being a problem. I'll have to keep that in mind next time I'm at a Chicago/Denver game rooting for the Bears. I can be arrested for cheering Cutler. Nice Big Brother world we live in.
 
Ikari said:
Seems to me that the guy was cheering for the Jets. I kinda thought maybe that was legal at a Jets/Chargers game. Maybe we're rewriting the rules so that people can't cheer for the away team. But I haven't been notified of that being a problem. I'll have to keep that in mind next time I'm at a Chicago/Denver game rooting for the Bears. I can be arrested for cheering Cutler. Nice Big Brother world we live in.
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And how do you know he was arrested for cheering for the Jets? You just assume that?
 
Ikari said:
I'll have to keep that in mind next time I'm at a Chicago/Denver game rooting for the Bears. I can be arrested for cheering Cutler.
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That would be unfair. I'd rather see you arrested for cheering for Denver. :cool:
 
Dirty Harry said:
And how do you know he was arrested for cheering for the Jets? You just assume that?
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You assume the police are right. But even the people in the video who were right there were saying the man did nothing wrong and was merely rooting for the Jets. Cops can't just go around arresting people at whim and then allowed to charge people with resisting arrest when the initial arrest was unjust. The cops are restricted, not the People.
 
Ikari said:
You assume the police are right. But even the people in the video who were right there were saying the man did nothing wrong and was merely rooting for the Jets. Cops can't just go around arresting people at whim and then allowed to charge people with resisting arrest when the initial arrest was unjust. The cops are restricted, not the People.
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I assume nothing, but I seriously doubt the guy was arrested for just cheering for the Jets. It looked more like a case of disorderly conduct or intoxication. His buddies were claiming he did nothing wrong.......what were they supposed to say?
We did not see the whole tape and what actually led to the arrest. The cops were already restraining him when we got back to the video. We did see him resisting.
 
Coronado said:
That's true, I hadn't thought of that.
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At the end of the video, one of the chargers fan who was sitting behind the arrested guy reaches over and taps the guy's girlfriend on the shoulder and gives her his phone number. You can see him hold his hand out and act as though he's writing on it. She pulls out her cell-phone and they talk for a minute before the camera moves away

If the charger's fans who were defending this guy were his friends, he'd probably already have their number.

Presumably, he did this to give the guy a witness.
 
Dirty Harry said:
I assume nothing, but I seriously doubt the guy was arrested for just cheering for the Jets. It looked more like a case of disorderly conduct or intoxication. His buddies were claiming he did nothing wrong.......what were they supposed to say?
We did not see the whole tape and what actually led to the arrest. The cops were already restraining him when we got back to the video. We did see him resisting.
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The parts in bold are contradictory statements.
 
Tucker Case said:
At the end of the video, one of the chargers fan who was sitting behind the arrested guy reaches over and taps the guy's girlfriend on the shoulder and gives her his phone number. You can see him hold his hand out and act as though he's writing on it. She pulls out her cell-phone and they talk for a minute before the camera moves away

If the charger's fans who were defending this guy were his friends, he'd probably already have their number.

Presumably, he did this to give the guy a witness.
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or maybe he wants some pu$$y:2razz:
 
Ikari said:
You assume the police are right. But even the people in the video who were right there were saying the man did nothing wrong and was merely rooting for the Jets. Cops can't just go around arresting people at whim and then allowed to charge people with resisting arrest when the initial arrest was unjust. The cops are restricted, not the People.
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The part in bold is what i totally agree with. To many posters agree with the authorities on everything it really is frightening that they believe people should restrict themselves and cops can behave whichever manner they see fit.
 
The Jets fan's name is William Carroll (not pictured above), and his arrest has become "a five-star YouTube hit," according to the San Diego Union Tribune.

The videotaped arrest of the enthusiastic -- and allegedly inebriated -- New York Jets fan at Qualcomm Stadium has football fans howling in cyber protest.
The New York Post wrote: "Jets fan arrested in San Diego for no apparent reason."
San Diego police beg to differ. Assistant Chief Bob Kanaski said Carroll was arrested on suspicion of public intoxication and delaying or obstructing a police officer in his duties.
"It had nothing to do with cheering, it had to do with the behavior not seen on the film," Kanaski said Wednesday.
Kanaski, who heads the department's special operation unit, said Carroll was booked into County Jail on the two misdemeanor charges.
He said officers went to talk to Carroll after being notified via text message from an off-duty police officer at the game who said the Jets fan was intoxicated and out of control.
A sergeant asked Carroll three times to accompany him out of the stands but he refused. Kanaski said at one point Carroll tried to head-butt one of the officers. When the fan balled his fists and took a stance, the sergeant began to handcuff him, Kanaski said. That is where the video picks up again.


"The guy was obviously drunk and causing difficulty in the section," Kanaski said.
Of the 69,000 people at the game, 49 arrests were made, and 43 of those involved being drunk in public. Others were arrested on charges such as petty theft, grand theft and battery, Kanaski said. Thirty-three were ejected for rowdy behavior. Police also issued several citations
 
Crosscheck said:
Did you see when the cops first came up and asked him to quiet it down? No, there is some tape missing here.

He was trying to antagonize the crowd whose team was losing. You don't have to be Einstein to figure out what was going to happen next. What little of the clip you see one doesn't see any Charger fans acting out against him yet.

This may be a hard concept for you, but it is often better to be pre-ventive than post-reactive.
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Uh, no because the majority of the crowd seemed not offended. And it looked like he was just cheering and wanting for other fans on his team to back him up. If he was antagonizing he would be shouting, "the charger fans are all a bunch of ********ing fags!". That is antagonizing.

This may be a hard concept for you, but apathy is a bad thing.
 
Dirty Harry said:
A sergeant asked Carroll three times to accompany him out of the stands but he refused. Kanaski said at one point Carroll tried to head-butt one of the officers. When the fan balled his fists and took a stance, the sergeant began to handcuff him, Kanaski said. That is where the video picks up again.
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I think it's quite a coincidence all this stuff allegedly happened when the camera was not running.
 
Dirty Harry said:
The Jets fan's name is William Carroll (not pictured above), and his arrest has become "a five-star YouTube hit," according to the San Diego Union Tribune.

The videotaped arrest of the enthusiastic -- and allegedly inebriated -- New York Jets fan at Qualcomm Stadium has football fans howling in cyber protest.
The New York Post wrote: "Jets fan arrested in San Diego for no apparent reason."
San Diego police beg to differ. Assistant Chief Bob Kanaski said Carroll was arrested on suspicion of public intoxication and delaying or obstructing a police officer in his duties.
"It had nothing to do with cheering, it had to do with the behavior not seen on the film," Kanaski said Wednesday.
Kanaski, who heads the department's special operation unit, said Carroll was booked into County Jail on the two misdemeanor charges.
He said officers went to talk to Carroll after being notified via text message from an off-duty police officer at the game who said the Jets fan was intoxicated and out of control.
A sergeant asked Carroll three times to accompany him out of the stands but he refused. Kanaski said at one point Carroll tried to head-butt one of the officers. When the fan balled his fists and took a stance, the sergeant began to handcuff him, Kanaski said. That is where the video picks up again.


"The guy was obviously drunk and causing difficulty in the section," Kanaski said.
Of the 69,000 people at the game, 49 arrests were made, and 43 of those involved being drunk in public. Others were arrested on charges such as petty theft, grand theft and battery, Kanaski said. Thirty-three were ejected for rowdy behavior. Police also issued several citations
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I have no doubt that the police officer lied about the attempted head-butt. When someone is drunk they are obviously going to not be able to stand straight.
You know many cops have lied when they are writing about what happened because they don't want to get into trouble. So I can bet that the officer is a lying scumbag many police officers are.
 
stalin_was_a_nice_being said:
I have no doubt that the police officer lied about the attempted head-butt. When someone is drunk they are obviously going to not be able to stand straight.
You know many cops have lied when they are writing about what happened because they don't want to get into trouble. So I can bet that the officer is a lying scumbag many police officers are.
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So you just assume the cops are lying. You actually believe they just arrested the guy because they felt like it? They obviously had a reason to believe the guy was intoxicated. He looked intoxicated and out of control to me. And the video does show him resisting. The cops account of the event is perfectly plausible.
I can stand straight when I am drunk. And I can head butt with the best of them while intoxicated.
 
Dirty Harry said:
So you just assume the cops are lying. You actually believe they just arrested the guy because they felt like it? They obviously had a reason to believe the guy was intoxicated. He looked intoxicated and out of control to me. And the video does show him resisting. The cops account of the event is perfectly plausible.
I can stand straight when I am drunk. And I can head butt with the best of them while intoxicated.
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Didn't they say they arrested him for "resisting arrest"?
 
Dirty Harry said:
So you just assume the cops are lying. You actually believe they just arrested the guy because they felt like it? They obviously had a reason to believe the guy was intoxicated. He looked intoxicated and out of control to me. And the video does show him resisting. The cops account of the event is perfectly plausible.
I can stand straight when I am drunk. And I can head butt with the best of them while intoxicated.
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Obviously you have not read enough accounts of the San Diego police department written by minority officers. The San Diego police department exuberates on many of their accounts of the way things go down. Sorry to break it to you, but police officers lie frequently. Its a police officers JOB to look for CRIME not stop criminals.
 
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Dirty Harry said:
I assume nothing, but I seriously doubt the guy was arrested for just cheering for the Jets. It looked more like a case of disorderly conduct or intoxication. His buddies were claiming he did nothing wrong.......what were they supposed to say?
We did not see the whole tape and what actually led to the arrest. The cops were already restraining him when we got back to the video. We did see him resisting.
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It was random Chargers fans who were defending the guy. You can't be arrested for resisting arrest. You have to be arrested for something else first. And if that something else is unjust, then resisting is excusable. The cops must be held accountable for their actions. You cannot be allowed to run around and arrest people at whim. Everything in the video appeared that the Jets fan was cheering for the Jets and got arrested for it. The random Chargers fans in the vicinity defended the Jets fan saying he did nothing wrong.
 
Dirty Harry said:
There might be more to it than the video shows. There is some missing time between when he is cheering and the cops are cuffing him.
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No, it's on the internet, it can't be misleading.
 
Ikari said:
It was random Chargers fans who were defending the guy. You can't be arrested for resisting arrest. You have to be arrested for something else first. And if that something else is unjust, then resisting is excusable. The cops must be held accountable for their actions. You cannot be allowed to run around and arrest people at whim. Everything in the video appeared that the Jets fan was cheering for the Jets and got arrested for it. The random Chargers fans in the vicinity defended the Jets fan saying he did nothing wrong.
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You can be arrested for not following an officers legal order. The cop wanted to get him out of the stands to talk to him and probably check his sobriety. He refused to go.
Do you really believe the cops did it for kicks?

You did not see the entire video. The most important part, the initial arrest was not there. I have witnessed people getting arrested including my friends. Everybody always claims "he didn't do anything", "he is innocent" etc
It sure looked like the guy was drunk to me.
 
Coronado said:
Didn't they say they arrested him for "resisting arrest"?
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............"Carroll was arrested on suspicion of public intoxication and delaying or obstructing a police officer in his duties."
 
stalin_was_a_nice_being said:
Obviously you have not read enough accounts of the San Diego police department written by minority officers. The San Diego police department exuberates on many of their accounts of the way things go down. Sorry to break it to you, but police officers lie frequently. Its a police officers JOB to look for CRIME not stop criminals.
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So why did they arrest this guy? Do you honestly think his cheering for the Jets offended them?
He was drunk.
 
There seems to be two sides here. One that the police always lie. The other that the guy got arrested for disorderly conduct and failure to cooperate.

One can't help notice that the fans around him said he did nothing wrong. Maybe they didn't view him as a physical threat.

Again as Dirty Harry said , Why would the cops single this guy to attack? When the cops talked to the other fans they were not in their face. You can hear the one officer tell the gentleman in the row below that he wouldn't cooperate.

Put yourself in the cop shoes. You have some 70,000 people in attendance with a fair number of intoxicated fans. If they wanted they could arrest a huge number for public intoxication but basically they just keep a lid on things. They don't want to arrest a thousand or so for public intoxication.
What they do have to do is prevent fans from fighting in the stands or bothering other fans.

Click on google and search fan fights at football games and you can see what every Sunday they deal with.

There is tape missing here or the person stopped taping until it got more intense. Either way none of us were there and really don't know what caused the final confrontation.
 
Dirty Harry said:
You can be arrested for not following an officers legal order. The cop wanted to get him out of the stands to talk to him and probably check his sobriety. He refused to go.
Do you really believe the cops did it for kicks?

You did not see the entire video. The most important part, the initial arrest was not there. I have witnessed people getting arrested including my friends. Everybody always claims "he didn't do anything", "he is innocent" etc
It sure looked like the guy was drunk to me.
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Being drunk isn't against the law in and of itself, except for pathetic selectively enforced laws like "public drunkenness" which shouldn't be a law in the first place. There needs to be actual offense. Till such is given, presumption of innocence falls to the individual not the cops.
 
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