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    Re: Schumer calls for hearings on 'un-American' court decision

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    If only they had conducted good hearings during the formulation of the orignal McCain/Feingold bill. Besides that Bush should have vetoed that bill.
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    Re: Schumer calls for hearings on 'un-American' court decision

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    More voice because you have a talent for getting your voice heard is different from money as more voice. If you run a blog that gets a ton of hits each day it's not the same thing as buying commercial time. To my mind, there is nothing wrong with limiting how much spending you can spend on an election, I just think the actual mechanics of such limits would be difficult to near impossible. Elections right now tend to heavily favor whoever spends the most, and has the most spent on their behalf. I think this is very much less than ideal.
    But what you're essentially saying is "Its okay if someone has more voice, as long as they have more voice based on reasons I think are okay".

    Why is someone who has more voice because he's famous more important than someone who has more voice because he's rich?

    Why is a person with a lot of friends having more voice than you fine, but a person who has a lot of fellow members of an organization not fine?

    I don't understand why you're okay with "more voice" based on every other reason, except if the person or group has money.

    It seems like you more simply have a problem with money in politics, and you're using the "more voice" reasoning to rationalize it so you don't have to say "I just don't like that those that are richer can have a bigger impact on things", because your "More voice" argument just doesn't make sense when you have such selective reasonings why you dislike some people having "more voice" and others not.

    Ever hear of candidates who start the process, but find out they cannot raise enough money to actually run come election year? things like that make me sad, that money is one of the keys to who we have to select among.
    Agree with you here, I just don't think its something that can honestly majorly happen. Even back in the early days its not like the founders were a bunch of shlubs living on the street with no clout of some kind. The sad fact is the vast majority of times in history those who have power, wealth, or influence are the ones most likely to get ahead in politics. Sucks? Sure. But at this point thinking of changing it in a major way is kind of like thinking we're going to fly to distant far off galaxies. Will we do it one day perhaps? Yeah, but its not exactly likely

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    Running a blog is not putting adds on TV or robocalls. It's people going to your site. A public figure being interviewed on their views is not actively advertising, it's more passive.

    The problem here is I see a clear demarcation, but I am not seeing a great way to put it into words, except to say that in part it depends on what you do. Spending is not the same thing as talking to your friends, or posting something on the internet.
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    Re: Schumer calls for hearings on 'un-American' court decision

    Allowing unlimited money in politics is just giving more civil rights to those who have more money. Being rich is great and we should all strive for it, but for basic necessities like health, rights, and the things that really matter, we should all be equal.

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    Re: Schumer calls for hearings on 'un-American' court decision

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Running a blog is not putting adds on TV or robocalls. It's people going to your site. A public figure being interviewed on their views is not actively advertising, it's more passive.

    The problem here is I see a clear demarcation, but I am not seeing a great way to put it into words, except to say that in part it depends on what you do. Spending is not the same thing as talking to your friends, or posting something on the internet.
    Either way you're using your resources to your advantage.

    If you're resource is fame and you're going out making statements at award shows or at interviews or fund raiser events and other things you're trading on your resource to have more voice.

    If you're a talented writer and are able to get your views into news papers or on television or on a blog then you're trading on your resource to have more voice.

    If you're a popular outgoing person that has charisma and a strong personality and you use that to spread information to your friends and convince them that your way is best then you're trading on your resources to have more voice.

    If you're a successful businessman that managed to run a successful company and have excess money and you spend that to run advertising commercials or an ad in the paper than you're trading on your resources to have more voice.

    No one has to listen to a famous person

    No one has to read a blog or newspaper

    No one has to listen to their friends talk politics

    and guess what

    No one has to watch an advertisement on TV or listen to an entire robo call

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    Re: Schumer calls for hearings on 'un-American' court decision

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    Re: Schumer calls for hearings on 'un-American' court decision

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    SHHHHHHHH, I'm trying to get Redress to like me. Oh yeah, go Obama go~!!!! How that?
    Fail tho~
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    Re: Schumer calls for hearings on 'un-American' court decision

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Link here

    Umm, what?

    He doesn't like the decision so he's threatening THE SURPREME COURT, an Equal part of government to not him but his entire BRANCH, with "hearings" simply because he disagrees with a decision they rendered concerning the constitution...which is, you know, they're job?

    This is ridiculous.
    I find the decision displeasing because it basically allows for corporations to buy off politicians without fear of going to prison.

    I dislike business being involved with politics. It's a complete disservice to the working class.

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    Re: Schumer calls for hearings on 'un-American' court decision

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    Fail tho~
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    Re: Schumer calls for hearings on 'un-American' court decision

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Sometimes it's just not worth feeding the trolls aps. For some of our posters, over the top rhetoric is the only way they know to post.
    Touche! (I'm always asking people why they acknowledge certain trolls.) Point well taken.

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