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    Re: Schumer calls for hearings on 'un-American' court decision

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    Re: Schumer calls for hearings on 'un-American' court decision

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    Umm, he is holding hearing on the impact of the decision. I don't see how that is threatening SCOTUS, and in fact he has zero real ways to threaten them.
    Gotcha. I read the first part and was figuring it was a protracted statement with him going on to say that later, but notice the original statement about having hearings "about" the case wasn't actually in quotes.

    Having hearings about campaign finance is fine.

    Having hearings about the "unamerican decision" is not.

    Congress should be having hearings about new laws they want to pass, not about decisions the Surpreme Court has made. Further, his stance on the Rules committee is what made me lean to it examining the decision itself, not what can be done legislatively with it. I'm not quite sure how finance reform legislation would fit into the "rules" committee as its breeding ground for cnoversation.

    Perhaps a wait and see approach is needed, however the notion that he's going to use the committee to spur talk of legislation that can be passed that falls in line with the courts ruling seems highly unlikely to me based on the language he used and the committee he's sitting on, unless I'm understanding something wrong.

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    Re: Schumer calls for hearings on 'un-American' court decision

    This is kind of weird. Isn't is supposed to be Republicans who play the "un-American" card?

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    Re: Schumer calls for hearings on 'un-American' court decision

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Gotcha. I read the first part and was figuring it was a protracted statement with him going on to say that later, but notice the original statement about having hearings "about" the case wasn't actually in quotes.

    Having hearings about campaign finance is fine.

    Having hearings about the "unamerican decision" is not.

    Congress should be having hearings about new laws they want to pass, not about decisions the Surpreme Court has made. Further, his stance on the Rules committee is what made me lean to it examining the decision itself, not what can be done legislatively with it. I'm not quite sure how finance reform legislation would fit into the "rules" committee as its breeding ground for cnoversation.

    Perhaps a wait and see approach is needed, however the notion that he's going to use the committee to spur talk of legislation that can be passed that falls in line with the courts ruling seems highly unlikely to me based on the language he used and the committee he's sitting on, unless I'm understanding something wrong.
    The thing is, he has absolutely no way to threaten the court, nor can he overrule it without a constitutional amendment, which he won't be able to deliver. The absolute worst he could do is use the hearing to have a hissy, which is basically no harm done.

    Question for you: do you think some form of campaign finance regulation is needed and legal, and what form do you think it should take if so...and of course, why either way. You are one of the rational conservatives, so I am curious as to your thoughts.
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    Re: Schumer calls for hearings on 'un-American' court decision

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    OMG. Y o u h a v e g o t t o b e k i d d i n g m e.
    Sometimes it's just not worth feeding the trolls aps. For some of our posters, over the top rhetoric is the only way they know to post.
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    Re: Schumer calls for hearings on 'un-American' court decision

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Question for you: do you think some form of campaign finance regulation is needed and legal, and what form do you think it should take if so...and of course, why either way. You are one of the rational conservatives, so I am curious as to your thoughts.
    Honestly not looked into it enough. It was clear mccain-fiengold wasn't going away until a SCOTUS decision caused it, which I was surprised to see happen already frankly. I think McCain-Fiengold didn't do much beyond causing it to simply be less transparent and more underhanded in the ways buisness gave money to government, while setting very bad precedent in regards to limitations on speech. I'd have to look into the situation a good bit more to give you any substantive answer on if something needs to be done to fix it or how to "fix" it.

    The Idealistic part of me would want to say a limit total on how much a candidate can spend in an election, but even that I have no doubt would have hundreds of issues associated with it.

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    Re: Schumer calls for hearings on 'un-American' court decision

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Honestly not looked into it enough. It was clear mccain-fiengold wasn't going away until a SCOTUS decision caused it, which I was surprised to see happen already frankly. I think McCain-Fiengold didn't do much beyond causing it to simply be less transparent and more underhanded in the ways buisness gave money to government, while setting very bad precedent in regards to limitations on speech. I'd have to look into the situation a good bit more to give you any substantive answer on if something needs to be done to fix it or how to "fix" it.

    The Idealistic part of me would want to say a limit total on how much a candidate can spend in an election, but even that I have no doubt would have hundreds of issues associated with it.
    Yeah, it seems clear to me that there have to be limits, and the concept of money as speech just does not work for me at all. I like to think that if all the major candidates had the same money to spend, then the quality of elections would go up. The obvious problem is figuring out how to limit things in a way SCOTUS would allow.
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    Re: Schumer calls for hearings on 'un-American' court decision

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Sometimes it's just not worth feeding the trolls aps. For some of our posters, over the top rhetoric is the only way they know to post.
    Pot meet kettle. LOL

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    Re: Schumer calls for hearings on 'un-American' court decision

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    Pot meet kettle. LOL
    Yeah, I bet you can dig up a bunch of examples of me using over the top rhetoric.

    Or not...

    Feel free to try though.
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    Re: Schumer calls for hearings on 'un-American' court decision

    If only they had conducted good hearings during the formulation of the orignal McCain/Feingold bill. Besides that Bush should have vetoed that bill.
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