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    Re: Chavez: US Weapon Test Caused Haiti Earthquake

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Big difference is that Spain, especially Andalucia, is really proud of it's Arabic heritage and recognises the lunacy of the inquisition and the counter-reformation. "Lowest nation of Europe"? What does that even mean? Don't make a good point about Latin American history by showing pig ignorance of European history.

    However, I have a feeling that Partisan (and Chuck Norris BTW) wouldn't know a historical perspective if it fellated him.
    You should be proud, why the arabs, spanish and portugese introduced most of the african slavery into the world. You know Ford named a car after your town once. It was a piece of ****.
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    Re: Chavez: US Weapon Test Caused Haiti Earthquake

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    Actually, I didn't intend offense to you personally, though I do regard Hispanicization of America as somewhat of a perverse abomination, but I think the same of Anglicization. I refer there to the inculcation of a foreign Iberian identity at the expense of indigenous American identity, with the stereotype of a "Hispanic" being someone with reddish-brown skin, black hair, and dark eyes; in other words, an Indian called something else. I've had too many Anglos tell me to "go back where I came from" because of their idiotic misconception that I was "Mexican" because of the Spanish surname that the expansion of the empire into the U.S. Southwest and beyond left me and so many other U.S. Indians with.
    Blah, blah, blah....
    No one carees....
    The natives were conquered & subjugated, first by the Spanish, later by the Dutch & English....
    I feel your pain, but history has been written...
    First by the Conquistadores, then by 'Manifest Destiny'.....
    Lesser peoples are conquered & subjugated, that's just the way it works, & in the case of the indigenous population of the Americas, inevitable....
    Those that survive, do so at the benevolence of their conquerors, & should be grateful for their existence........

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    Re: Chavez: US Weapon Test Caused Haiti Earthquake

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    You should be proud, why the arabs, spanish and portugese introduced most of the african slavery into the world. You know Ford named a car after your town once. It was a piece of ****.
    Your ignorance is exceeded only by your malevolence.

    I think neither latins nor anglos have much room to criticise anyone for their role in the slave trade during the colonial period. Slavery was hardly a new invention during that period. The Ancient Egyptians had been transporting slaves from sub-saharan Africa 5,000 years ago. The Romans, Chinese, Greeks, pre-Colombian native cultures, in fact most pre-modern cultures used slavery. What on Earth is your point?

    The Ford Granada was a very popular car here in Europe too. Most US-imported car designs are pretty crap. We agree on that!
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    Re: Chavez: US Weapon Test Caused Haiti Earthquake

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Your ignorance is exceeded only by your malevolence.

    I think neither latins nor anglos have much room to criticise anyone for their role in the slave trade during the colonial period. Slavery was hardly a new invention during that period. The Ancient Egyptians had been transporting slaves from sub-saharan Africa 5,000 years ago. The Romans, Chinese, Greeks, pre-Colombian native cultures, in fact most pre-modern cultures used slavery. What on Earth is your point?

    The Ford Granada was a very popular car here in Europe too. Most US-imported car designs are pretty crap. We agree on that!
    Slavery has been a part of virtually every culture known to man....
    Spain has been on the decline for the last 400+ years, but it has etched an indelible mark on the face of history at the price of the natives of the Americas....
    Oh well......

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    Re: Chavez: US Weapon Test Caused Haiti Earthquake

    Quote Originally Posted by Partisan View Post
    Slavery has been a part of virtually every culture known to man....
    Spain has been on the decline for the last 400+ years, but it has etched an indelible mark on the face of history at the price of the natives of the Americas....
    Oh well......
    I see, however, that you are quite proud of your culture's decimation of the other half of native American civilisation.
    Oh well......
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    Re: Chavez: US Weapon Test Caused Haiti Earthquake

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    I see, however, that you are quite proud of your culture's decimation of the other half of native American civilisation.
    Oh well......
    I'm just saying, 'it is what it is'.....
    & it was inevitable......
    Unfortunately, many present day Americans don't see the lesson that it holds.....
    They were as unprepared as we would be from an invasion from extra terrestrials....
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    Re: Chavez: US Weapon Test Caused Haiti Earthquake

    Quote Originally Posted by Partisan View Post
    No one carees....
    The natives were conquered & subjugated, first by the Spanish, later by the Dutch & English....
    I feel your pain, but history has been written...
    First by the Conquistadores, then by 'Manifest Destiny'.....
    Lesser peoples are conquered & subjugated, that's just the way it works, & in the case of the indigenous population of the Americas, inevitable....
    Those that survive, do so at the benevolence of their conquerors, & should be grateful for their existence........
    Poor misinformed pup…the Spanish would not have gotten a foothold anywhere if not for infectious disease and alliances with the indigenous, which is why the “Spanish” conquest of Tenochtitlan was actually the joint smallpox-Tlaxcalan conquest of Tenochtitlan. The British certainly looked to the Iroquois when it was time to assault their tribal enemy, the French…and again when it was time to combat the irate colonists.

    I described the differences between descriptive and prescriptive moral relativism in another thread; you should have perhaps taken notes, young man. That violent massacres occur and have been sadly commonplace is a reality and that their perpetrators think them ethically justifiable is also a reality. Whether they actually are is significantly more disputable. Tell me, lad, why do you object to the take-over of the United States by Amerindians through migration from Mexico? Conquest is a fact of life and an inevitability…could it be some ethical objection?

    And yes, Mexico is in America; I do not acknowledge U.S. hegemony over that term, particularly since it was derived from the name of an Italian explorer who landed on Brazil.

    It's such a pity when an inferior culture (take your pick; the various European nations lacked even toilets when they came to America, in contrast to the Mayans), is able to scavenge the remains of superior civilizations already ruined by the spread of plague, without demonstration of their actual battle prowess or ability to fight. It’s more shameful when the vulture is able to maintain the perverse charade that it is a war hawk.


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    Re: Chavez: US Weapon Test Caused Haiti Earthquake

    Quote Originally Posted by Cochise View Post
    Poor misinformed pup…the Spanish would not have gotten a foothold anywhere if not for infectious disease and alliances with the indigenous, which is why the “Spanish” conquest of Tenochtitlan was actually the joint smallpox-Tlaxcalan conquest of Tenochtitlan. The British certainly looked to the Iroquois when it was time to assault their tribal enemy, the French…and again when it was time to combat the irate colonists.

    I described the differences between descriptive and prescriptive moral relativism in another thread; you should have perhaps taken notes, young man. That violent massacres occur and have been sadly commonplace is a reality and that their perpetrators think them ethically justifiable is also a reality. Whether they actually are is significantly more disputable. Tell me, lad, why do you object to the take-over of the United States by Amerindians through migration from Mexico? Conquest is a fact of life and an inevitability…could it be some ethical objection?

    And yes, Mexico is in America; I do not acknowledge U.S. hegemony over that term, particularly since it was derived from the name of an Italian explorer who landed on Brazil.

    It's such a pity when an inferior culture (take your pick; the various European nations lacked even toilets when they came to America, in contrast to the Mayans), is able to scavenge the remains of superior civilizations already ruined by the spread of plague, without demonstration of their actual battle prowess or ability to fight. It’s more shameful when the vulture is able to maintain the perverse charade that it is a war hawk.

    I feel your pain, that's why we gave indians reservations to live on rather than completley exterminating them.....
    You should be grateful....

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    Re: Chavez: US Weapon Test Caused Haiti Earthquake

    Quote Originally Posted by Partisan View Post
    I feel your pain, that's why we gave indians reservations to live on rather than completley exterminating them....
    You should be grateful....
    "We"? No, the possessive pronoun would indicate that you had some influence on that state of affairs, which you do not and never have. Not only are you interested in clumsily draping a war hawk costume on the vulture, you’d also like to pathetically pretend that you’re one of them. But you haven’t managed to conquer anyone…you’ve only managed to acquire some laughable historical misconceptions along with a set of piss-poor debate skills.










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    Re: Chavez: US Weapon Test Caused Haiti Earthquake

    Quote Originally Posted by Cochise View Post
    "We"? No, the possessive pronoun would indicate that you had some influence on that state of affairs, which you do not and never have. Not only are you interested in clumsily draping a war hawk costume on the vulture, you’d also like to pathetically pretend that you’re one of them. But you haven’t managed to conquer anyone…you’ve only managed to acquire some laughable historical misconceptions along with a set of piss-poor debate skills.



    It's not your fault your ancestors lost the struggle to maintain their independence, but it happened.....
    You won't live long enough to see them regain it either....
    Whatever does survive will be a far cry from what was....
    No one, other than indians, really gives a **** what they allowed to happen to themselves....
    Last edited by Partisan; 02-19-10 at 02:48 PM.

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