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Fort Hood Report: No Mention of Islam, Hasan Not Named

Yes, but they did, and the USA didn't.
Makes sense; it was Europe's homegrown vermin.



I wouldn't think so, but Iran has not formally called for the destruction of any nation.
Right. Better to ignore their call for the destruction of a nation and wait until it is actually formally declared. Until then support and do business with them. Can't say I'm surprised it's the Germans doing it, though. Or Europeans acting like nothing is happening.
 
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Political Correctness strikes again under the Obama Administration. This is just going to make people angrier. One thing to keep in mind is that Fort Hood is the largest U.S. military installation in the world. Why are we so sensitive in a time of War? What happened to being brutal with the desire to win the war at all costs? America needs to wake up and understand that this Political Correctness or fear of offending a group of people are making this country weak and our citizens vunerable to attack by these people. We have got to get off this kick and become the America like we were during WW2 with a determination to kill the enemy without hesitance and without regard to their customs and traditions.

Fort Hood Report: No Mention of Islam, Hasan Not Named - Yahoo! News

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The U.S. military's just-released report into the Fort Hood shootings spends 86 pages detailing various slipups by Army officers but not once mentions Major Nidal Hasan by name or even discusses whether the killings may have had anything to do with the suspect's view of his Muslim faith. And as Congress opens two days of hearings on Wednesday into the Pentagon probe of the Nov. 5 attack that left 13 dead, lawmakers want explanations for that omission.


John Lehman, a member of the 9/11 commission and Navy Secretary during the Reagan Administration, says a reluctance to cause offense by citing Hasan's view of his Muslim faith and the U.S. military's activities in Muslim countries as a possible trigger for his alleged rampage reflects a problem that has gotten worse in the 40 years that Lehman has spent in and around the U.S. military. The Pentagon report's silence on Islamic extremism "shows you how deeply entrenched the values of political correctness have become," he told TIME on Tuesday. "It's definitely getting worse, and is now so ingrained that people no longer smirk when it happens." (See pictures of Major Nidal Malik Hasan's apartment.)


The apparent lack of curiosity into what allegedly drove Hasan to kill isn't in keeping with the military's ethos; it's a remarkable omission for the U.S. armed forces, whose young officers are often ordered to read Sun Tzu's The Art of War with its command to know your enemy. In midcareer, they study the contrast between capabilities and intentions, which is why they aren't afraid of a British nuclear weapon but do fear the prospect of Iran getting one.


Or, they have learned from the last 9 years of a failed war on terror, that throwing gasoline on a fire does nothing to extinguish it.
 
Or, they have learned from the last 9 years of a failed war on terror, that throwing gasoline on a fire does nothing to extinguish it.

Should we ignore it; hope it goes away on it's own?
 
Should we ignore it; hope it goes away on it's own?

ignore it? no

recognize it for what it is and what it isn't? yes, that would be a good first step
 
Yes, but they did, and the USA didn't.

So Europe is helpless without the US. Got it.



I wouldn't think so, but Iran has not formally called for the destruction of any nation. US President Reagan, on the other hand, called for the destruction of the Evil Empire (aka the Soviet Union). :mrgreen:

No, he called for the end of the Soviet regime, not "wiping" Russia "off the map."
 
So Europe is helpless without the US. Got it.

Well there's a leap of illogic, if ever there was one. :lol:

No, he called for the end of the Soviet regime, not "wiping" Russia "off the map."

Quite, which is exactly what the Iranian President quoted Ayatollah Khomeini as having said in respect of Israel. The 'wiping Israel of the map' claim has been debunked so many times, it is not worth repeating.
 
Indeed. How pathetic. How utterly pathetic. We are being led by a bunch of limpwristed nutless wonders.

A half century of the corrosive effects of liberalism.

Why do you always over-simplify and generalize, liberalism has done a lot of this country and people in the last 50 years.

Anyway, I doubt the Obama administration personally sent someone to those who contributed to this report and told them explicitly to not talk about MAJ Hasan by name or discuss Islam. And I really don't think 'political correctness' had anything to do with excluding his name.

Here's an idea, if we ever can, lets read this report and find what it was intended to discuss. If it was meant to talk about the Army in general and not MAJ Hasan specifically then it might not mention him by name for that reason. Maybe it was written in response to but not specifically about the Ft. Hood incident? That's just speculation of course, but instead of trusting Yahoo! I'd like to read it and form my own opinion.
 
Well there's a leap of illogic, if ever there was one. :lol:

You keep invoking the US as being partially responsible for a European problem (the rise of Hitler), so if there's illogic, it's yours. :shrug:


Quite, which is exactly what the Iranian President quoted Ayatollah Khomeini as having said in respect of Israel. The 'wiping Israel of the map' claim has been debunked so many times, it is not worth repeating.

It's been declared "debunked" by the usual apologists, sure. Funnily enough, at the time, it was the exact translation offered by official Iranian sources. That, of course, has all gone down the memory hole by now.
 
Should we ignore it; hope it goes away on it's own?

No, of course not. A very wise person on this board, Frodly, put it very well here:

"In order to win this war, we need to win the hearts and minds of the average muslim. They need to see Westernization and modernization as better options than reactionary conservatism and radical Islam. The reason that is, is because it is difficult to fight a war on anything without negatively effecting the people of the country you are fighting the war in. When you bomb terrorists in Pakistan with drones, and happen to kill 10 other people, you are turning the political tide of the war. When you invade Iraq, and kill thousands of people, you are turning the political tide against you. This War needs to be fought on the political front, not the military front. Use the military only when it can be used precisely. We also need to start better understanding who we are fighting. We need to understand what motivates different groups. We try to lump all our "Islamic problems" into one basket, failing to realize that most often the problems in one place are quite different from the problems in another. We will only win, by winning the political battle. If we do that, we will win the war with radical Islam. If the Radical Islamists win the political battle, which they certainly could, then no amount of military force will do any good."
 
......armed by one of the most populous one (china) and one of the most advanced one (soviet union) and popularly supported by the majority of the population of western europe.

And the American Main Stream Media.....
 
Erm ... it could be said that the world, which includes the US, allowed the rise of Hitler, and it was Europeans - the British and the French, who declared war on Germany, not the USA. So let's not get too 'holier than thou'. :mrgreen:

And why should the Germans not buy their gas (by which I take it you mean actual gas, and not petroleum or crude oil,) from Iran? :)

Why should the US need to come to Europe's rescue?... We weren't being attacked, but we came and saved their ass, didn't we.

Saved their ass from Russia for 50 years too….. Still are.
 
We lost Vietnam because of stupidity in DC, not because of the military. We could have won Vietnam... but we fought the war out of DC... and we were too nice.

We won every battle in Nam but we lost the war......Go Figure....:confused::roll:
 
Obama and his administration are in a state of denial.......They are scared to death to offend Islam.......To not call what that nut case did at Fort Hood is terrorism is insane......The radical islamists are laughing at us and I don't blame them...we have 3 more years of this president and I just hope he does not destroy this country.......
 
We won every battle in Nam but we lost the war......Go Figure....:confused::roll:

Its not hard to figure at all. We did not have the people of Vietnam on our side. Even the South Vietnamese ended up hating us more for the death and destruction we caused than they did the North for being communists.

We killed a million Vietnamese and still they did not like us..... go figure!

There is a lesson in there about our war against the Middle East, but I don't think anyone much is paying attention to that.
 
Its not hard to figure at all. We did not have the people of Vietnam on our side. Even the South Vietnamese ended up hating us more for the death and destruction we caused than they did the North for being communists.

We killed a million Vietnamese and still they did not like us..... go figure!

There is a lesson in there about our war against the Middle East, but I don't think anyone much is paying attention to that.

You are wrong my left wing friend........We lost because of the left here in the U.S.It became a very unpopular war.....Every night people could sit in front of their TVs and count the casualties for the day that made Iraq look like a first grade party.....Finally there was no stomach for the war........

I spent 13 months in country and I knew many Vietnamese and they were some of th most corageous people I ever met so get off that ****...............
 
You are wrong my left wing friend........We lost because of the left here in the U.S.It became a very unpopular war.....Every night people could sit in front of their TVs and count the casualties for the day that made Iraq look like a first grade party.....Finally there was no stomach for the war........


I am well aware it was the US citizens that ended the war. I am very proud to have been part of that effort.

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I spent 13 months in country and I knew many Vietnamese and they were some of th most corageous people I ever met so get off that ****...............

The war was already lost however because we could not gain full support from the South Vietnamese. We have killed more innocent people in the Middle East and destroyed more farmland than the terrorists we are fighting.
We have not succeeded in 9 years of war because we failed to understand that is not the way to win the hearts and minds of the Muslim people.

It will continue to be the case until the American people get tired of throwing money down a rat hole and stop this needless war like we did in Vietnam, or we go broke, whichever happens first.
 
I am well aware it was the US citizens that ended the war. I am very proud to have been part of that effort.

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The war was already lost however because we could not gain full support from the South Vietnamese. We have killed more innocent people in the Middle East and destroyed more farmland than the terrorists we are fighting.
We have not succeeded in 9 years of war because we failed to understand that is not the way to win the hearts and minds of the Muslim people.

It will continue to be the case until the American people get tired of throwing money down a rat hole and stop this needless war like we did in Vietnam, or we go broke, whichever happens first.

So are you one of the guys/girls that spit and called dirty names at the GIs when they came back from Nam..........Did you burn any GIs in effigy? Were you one of the ones when they saw and GI that liked to say" HI, Hey did you kill a baby today."

I do have another question for you....Are you really a conservative because I have never met a war protestor who was a conservative........They were all leftys, comminists or socialist...........
 
I am well aware it was the US citizens that ended the war. I am very proud to have been part of that effort.

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The war was already lost however because we could not gain full support from the South Vietnamese. We have killed more innocent people in the Middle East and destroyed more farmland than the terrorists we are fighting.
We have not succeeded in 9 years of war because we failed to understand that is not the way to win the hearts and minds of the Muslim people.

It will continue to be the case until the American people get tired of throwing money down a rat hole and stop this needless war like we did in Vietnam, or we go broke, whichever happens first.

Can you name one battle that we lost in Nam?
 
So are you one of the guys/girls that spit and called dirty names at the GIs when they came back from Nam..........Did you burn any GIs in effigy? Were you one of the ones when they saw and GI that liked to say" HI, Hey did you kill a baby today."

I do have another question for you....Are you really a conservative because I have never met a war protestor who was a conservative........They were all leftys, comminists or socialist...........

Nope, I stood up beside veterans opposed to the war. Ever heard of the Vietnam Veterans Against the War? They organized the first demonstration I pictured, when we blocked the main entrance to Wright Patterson AFB. The other one I pictured was organized by a National Alliance of churches opposed to our war against the Vietnamese on moral grounds.

I had/have no beef with the people ordered to war against the Vietnamese. My beef was with the idiotic leaders who needlessly sent them there to kill and be killed.

I am a conservative in the true sense of the word. The root word being conserve. I believe in conserving innocent lives, no matter what flag the aggressor is flying, and I believe in conserving our resources and environment for future generations use.

To put it simply, to leave the earth in better shape than I found it.
 
Can you name one battle that we lost in Nam?

Of course, the one battle that mattered the most we lost, the battle for the hearts and mines of the people who lived there.

Same battle we are losing now in the Middle East, and for the same reasons.

We do not seem to be quick learners.
 
Nope, I stood up beside veterans opposed to the war. Ever heard of the Vietnam Veterans Against the War? They organized the first demonstration I pictured, when we blocked the main entrance to Wright Patterson AFB. The other one I pictured was organized by a National Alliance of churches opposed to our war against the Vietnamese on moral grounds.

I had/have no beef with the people ordered to war against the Vietnamese. My beef was with the idiotic leaders who needlessly sent them there to kill and be killed.

I am a conservative in the true sense of the word. The root word being conserve. I believe in conserving innocent lives, no matter what flag the aggressor is flying, and I believe in conserving our resources and environment for future generations use.

To put it simply, to leave the earth in better shape than I found it.


A john Kerry "Hanoi" Jane follower huh........I got it now.........
 
Of course, the one battle that mattered the most we lost, the battle for the hearts and mines of the people who lived there.

Same battle we are losing now in the Middle East, and for the same reasons.

We do not seem to be quick learners.

Not the Vietnamese people I met........They were true patriots..........

You mean like the one in Iraq where we got rid of a murderous rapist and his sons and now see a country trying to make it on its own and where there are less Americans being killed every night then there are in NY or LA......

I wonder did you serve in Nam in the military?
 
You mean like the one in Iraq where we got rid of a murderous rapist....

Yeah, the same murderous rapist we supported when he was providing us cheap deals on oil. Oh, but then he kicked big oil out, and suddenly his actions are unacceptable.

Right, I've got the picture!

I wonder did you serve in Nam in the military?

Two years of alternative service to my country during the Vietnam war in Brethren Volunteer Service, even though my draft number was 275.

(Note for those of you not familiar with the draft lottery back then, someone with a lottery number that high would not be drafted.)
 
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