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    Re: Fort Hood Report: No Mention of Islam, Hasan Not Named

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    ......armed by one of the most populous one (china) and one of the most advanced one (soviet union) and popularly supported by the majority of the population of western europe.
    The North Vietnamese were certainly supported politically by China and Russia, but I'm not sure how extensively they were armed by those nations. It seems to me that if Russia had comprehensively armed North Vietnam, the Viet Minh would have been sporting up to date Russian hardware, such as T55 tanks and MIG 22 interceptors. In the event, they had completely outdated Russian equipment, circa the Korean war period. As for the Chinese, they are the traditional enemies of the Vietnamese, and invaded Vietnam a very few years after the end of the US-Vietnamese war.

    And the support of Western Europe, and much of the rest of the world, for the unification of Vietnam, should have told Americans something. But then more current US attitudes to Europe over Iraq were equally cavalier - so ...

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    Re: Fort Hood Report: No Mention of Islam, Hasan Not Named

    Europeans don't exactly have an admirable track record to look to as a barometer of how to handle tyrants. They allowed the rise of Hitler under the guise of diplomacy and Germany is now negotiating a billion dollar gas deal with Iran.

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    Re: Fort Hood Report: No Mention of Islam, Hasan Not Named

    Quote Originally Posted by ScummyD View Post
    Europeans don't exactly have an admirable track record to look to as a barometer of how to handle tyrants. They allowed the rise of Hitler under the guise of diplomacy and Germany is now negotiating a billion dollar gas deal with Iran.
    Erm ... it could be said that the world, which includes the US, allowed the rise of Hitler, and it was Europeans - the British and the French, who declared war on Germany, not the USA. So let's not get too 'holier than thou'.

    And why should the Germans not buy their gas (by which I take it you mean actual gas, and not petroleum or crude oil,) from Iran?

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    Re: Fort Hood Report: No Mention of Islam, Hasan Not Named

    Quote Originally Posted by Leo View Post
    Erm ... it could be said that the world, which includes the US, allowed the rise of Hitler, and it was Europeans - the British and the French, who declared war on Germany, not the USA. So let's not get too 'holier than thou'.
    Yes, the UK declared war after ignoring Churchill for years and instead embracing the imbecility of Chamberlain. I guess it was good they finally woke up, but at the expense of millions of lives.

    And why should the Germans not buy their gas (by which I take it you mean actual gas, and not petroleum or crude oil,) from Iran?
    You're right, it's a good thing to support those that openly call for the destruction of a nation.

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    Re: Fort Hood Report: No Mention of Islam, Hasan Not Named

    Quote Originally Posted by ScummyD View Post
    Yes, the UK declared war after ignoring Churchill for years and instead embracing the imbecility of Chamberlain. I guess it was good they finally woke up, but at the expense of millions of lives.
    Yes, but they did, and the USA didn't.

    Quote Originally Posted by ScummyD View Post
    You're right, it's a good thing to support those that openly call for the destruction of a nation.
    I wouldn't think so, but Iran has not formally called for the destruction of any nation. US President Reagan, on the other hand, called for the destruction of the Evil Empire (aka the Soviet Union).

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    Re: Fort Hood Report: No Mention of Islam, Hasan Not Named

    Quote Originally Posted by Leo View Post
    Yes, but they did, and the USA didn't.
    Makes sense; it was Europe's homegrown vermin.



    I wouldn't think so, but Iran has not formally called for the destruction of any nation.
    Right. Better to ignore their call for the destruction of a nation and wait until it is actually formally declared. Until then support and do business with them. Can't say I'm surprised it's the Germans doing it, though. Or Europeans acting like nothing is happening.
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    Re: Fort Hood Report: No Mention of Islam, Hasan Not Named

    Quote Originally Posted by U.S. Army Retired View Post
    Political Correctness strikes again under the Obama Administration. This is just going to make people angrier. One thing to keep in mind is that Fort Hood is the largest U.S. military installation in the world. Why are we so sensitive in a time of War? What happened to being brutal with the desire to win the war at all costs? America needs to wake up and understand that this Political Correctness or fear of offending a group of people are making this country weak and our citizens vunerable to attack by these people. We have got to get off this kick and become the America like we were during WW2 with a determination to kill the enemy without hesitance and without regard to their customs and traditions.

    Fort Hood Report: No Mention of Islam, Hasan Not Named - Yahoo! News





    The U.S. military's just-released report into the Fort Hood shootings spends 86 pages detailing various slipups by Army officers but not once mentions Major Nidal Hasan by name or even discusses whether the killings may have had anything to do with the suspect's view of his Muslim faith. And as Congress opens two days of hearings on Wednesday into the Pentagon probe of the Nov. 5 attack that left 13 dead, lawmakers want explanations for that omission.


    John Lehman, a member of the 9/11 commission and Navy Secretary during the Reagan Administration, says a reluctance to cause offense by citing Hasan's view of his Muslim faith and the U.S. military's activities in Muslim countries as a possible trigger for his alleged rampage reflects a problem that has gotten worse in the 40 years that Lehman has spent in and around the U.S. military. The Pentagon report's silence on Islamic extremism "shows you how deeply entrenched the values of political correctness have become," he told TIME on Tuesday. "It's definitely getting worse, and is now so ingrained that people no longer smirk when it happens." (See pictures of Major Nidal Malik Hasan's apartment.)


    The apparent lack of curiosity into what allegedly drove Hasan to kill isn't in keeping with the military's ethos; it's a remarkable omission for the U.S. armed forces, whose young officers are often ordered to read Sun Tzu's The Art of War with its command to know your enemy. In midcareer, they study the contrast between capabilities and intentions, which is why they aren't afraid of a British nuclear weapon but do fear the prospect of Iran getting one.

    Or, they have learned from the last 9 years of a failed war on terror, that throwing gasoline on a fire does nothing to extinguish it.
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    Re: Fort Hood Report: No Mention of Islam, Hasan Not Named

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Or, they have learned from the last 9 years of a failed war on terror, that throwing gasoline on a fire does nothing to extinguish it.
    Should we ignore it; hope it goes away on it's own?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Fort Hood Report: No Mention of Islam, Hasan Not Named

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Should we ignore it; hope it goes away on it's own?
    ignore it? no

    recognize it for what it is and what it isn't? yes, that would be a good first step

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    Re: Fort Hood Report: No Mention of Islam, Hasan Not Named

    Quote Originally Posted by Leo View Post
    Yes, but they did, and the USA didn't.
    So Europe is helpless without the US. Got it.



    I wouldn't think so, but Iran has not formally called for the destruction of any nation. US President Reagan, on the other hand, called for the destruction of the Evil Empire (aka the Soviet Union).
    No, he called for the end of the Soviet regime, not "wiping" Russia "off the map."
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