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    Re: Barney frank: ‘god didn’t create the filibuster’

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    It is contrary to majority rule, but not representative republic... they are not necessarily synonymous. Although I think Republicans are just shills for corporatism, I don't believe it is a good thing to simply make the minority party irrelevant. As much as 49% or your citizens could end up being virtually unrepresented in our system. I would hardly call that 'representative democracy'.




    It is not a perfect way to make sure the minority is represented, but it is a way, and it is really the only way in our system.

    It is unfortunate that we have political parties at all. The founders didn't intend for those to form either, but they did. The filibuster as a tactic is valuable in a two party system to make certain that more people's views are represented.
    If the founding fathers didn't intend for political parties to form, why did they form them?
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    Re: Barney frank: ‘god didn’t create the filibuster’

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    If the founding fathers didn't intend for political parties to form, why did they form them?
    If I remember correctly, it was a race to the bottom sort of thing. You don't want people you disagree with to have more political power than you to make laws. If your opponents band together with like minded people, and you don't, then you lose.

    Also, when I have read about the party's histories, I get the sense that they only gradually became as partisan as they are today. I do think that is another thing the founders didn't anticipate.

    In any case, supermajorities are required for certain things in all sorts of representative governments. In California, for example, a supermajority is required when passing the budget.

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    Re: Barney frank: ‘god didn’t create the filibuster’

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    If I remember correctly, it was a race to the bottom sort of thing. You don't want people you disagree with to have more political power than you to make laws. If your opponents band together with like minded people, and you don't, then you lose.

    Also, when I have read about the party's histories, I get the sense that they only gradually became as partisan as they are today. I do think that is another thing the founders didn't anticipate.

    In any case, supermajorities are required for certain things in all sorts of representative governments. In California, for example, a supermajority is required when passing the budget.
    And it is one of the things that is ****ing up our state. It's the main reason we have to wait most of the year to get our budget most of the time. It also removes all accountability from the system, since the minority can claim to not have made the bill, and the majority can claim that it was fouled up by all the concessions to the minority.
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