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    Re: Barney frank: ‘god didn’t create the filibuster’

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    It's 3/5 not 2/3, by the way, but I don't think we need it in most cases. It's contrary to the concept of a representative republic.




    Because filibusters back then weren't indefinite. Eventually you had to stop talking, one way or another.
    Senators were also chosen by State Legislatures to protect the interests of the States.
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    Re: Barney frank: ‘god didn’t create the filibuster’

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    ..because the democrats wouldn't allow an up or down vote for judicial nominees.
    Republicans have done that also when they held power. Again, nothing new.

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    Re: Barney frank: ‘god didn’t create the filibuster’

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    Senators were also chosen by State Legislatures to protect the interests of the States.
    Relevance how?
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    Re: Barney frank: ‘god didn’t create the filibuster’

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    I whole-heartedly support at least limiting the filibuster, no matter which party is in charge.
    The Dems threatened it against Bush Supreme Court nominees...for God's sake. No...we're going to line up filibuster artillery and launch it until Jan 2011. When the new Republican Senate is hopefully seated or at least enough Republicans exist to knife off any unworthy legislation such as this albatross they call a health care bill.

    Wanna limit it, wait until we Pubs have a 60 seat majority. I'll be in your camp then.
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    Re: Barney frank: ‘god didn’t create the filibuster’

    Quote Originally Posted by CrusaderRabbit08 View Post
    Republicans have done that also when they held power. Again, nothing new.
    Let's be fair though, we haven't done so with Supreme Court nominees. The infighting normal and expected for lower courts, game playing at this level weel established, nothing new.

    Take a look at the process and votes for concerning those on the Supreme Court now. Look to Thomas, Scalia, Roberts, and Alito in comparison to Breyer, Ginsberg, and Sotomayor. The opposition and the process from Democrats wasn't the nothing new you speak to.

    Filibuster Showdown Looms In Senate - washingtonpost.com

    In an interview, Dean said Democratic unity is essential in the upcoming battle and that the party "absolutely" should be prepared to filibuster -- holding unlimited debate and preventing an up-or-down vote -- Bush's next high court nominee, if he taps someone they find unacceptably ideological.
    Imagine if a Republican filibuster is now attempted against any Obama nominee now that Brown has been elected. Oh, the howling from liberal Dems would be deafening.

    "A nominee more extreme than Judge Roberts would be unacceptable to the Democratic caucus," said Reid spokesman Jim Manley, who added later: "You could expect a major fight on the Senate floor."
    Major fight on the Senate floor for Sotomayor would have seen accusations of racism and discrimination based on gender and God knows what else. Brand new policy by the Democrats here, Republicans....don't do this on the High Court, the Dem Presidents yielded to when choosing Justices. Not so with Republicans, we all remember the gang of 14 nonsense, again...Republicans don't do that.
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    Re: Barney frank: ‘god didn’t create the filibuster’

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    I whole-heartedly support at least limiting the filibuster, no matter which party is in charge.
    Well, the filibuster is limited - by the rule that stops one by a vote of 60 senators.

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    Re: Barney frank: ‘god didn’t create the filibuster’

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    I whole-heartedly support at least limiting the filibuster, no matter which party is in charge.
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    Re: Barney frank: ‘god didn’t create the filibuster’

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    If the libs use this to pass the grotesquely unpopular health bill, it may cost them every independent and 20 percent of Democrats forever more.
    If that were ironclad, it might be worth it, as we could go back in, reverse and phase-out a whole lotta BS. Including Bahney Fwanks dweam.

    Problem is, new generations don't learn from history. That's how we get The Carter's, Clinton's, and Obama's. People forget or aren't educated about how damaging the Dems ideas are.

    With Clinton we got lucky. Hillary screwed up so badly the R's swept everything in 1994, and The Perjurer, looking out for himself was pragmatic enough to adopt much of The Contract with America. His perjury tied his hands for the most part during much of his second term, another stroke of luck.

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    Re: Barney frank: ‘god didn’t create the filibuster’

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Breitbart.tv Barney Frank: ‘God Didn’t Create the Filibuster’

    He wants to change the rules so that the GOP cannot filibuster the Healthcare Bill.
    1) They can do that now, by running the bill back through under reconciliation. The Republicans did that several times under Bush.

    2) Under Bush, changing the rules on filibusters was known as the nuclear option, which they threatened to use.

    I don't want to see Obamacare passed any more than you do, but Republicans have no cause to gripe if Dems end up using or threatening the same tactics now as Republicans used or threatened before. I was against those methods when Bush was president, and at the time, predicted that the Democrats would do the same, if Republicans supported using these tactics. Looks like I was right. The chickens are now coming home to roost, and Republicans will look like grade A hypocrites if they complain now. Of course, so will the Dems for using the same tactics they complained about when Bush was president.
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    Re: Barney frank: ‘god didn’t create the filibuster’

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    It's 3/5 not 2/3, by the way, but I don't think we need it in most cases. It's contrary to the concept of a representative republic.
    It is contrary to majority rule, but not representative republic... they are not necessarily synonymous. Although I think Republicans are just shills for corporatism, I don't believe it is a good thing to simply make the minority party irrelevant. As much as 49% or your citizens could end up being virtually unrepresented in our system. I would hardly call that 'representative democracy'.




    Because filibusters back then weren't indefinite. Eventually you had to stop talking, one way or another.
    It is not a perfect way to make sure the minority is represented, but it is a way, and it is really the only way in our system.

    It is unfortunate that we have political parties at all. The founders didn't intend for those to form either, but they did. The filibuster as a tactic is valuable in a two party system to make certain that more people's views are represented.

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