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    Re: Barney frank: ‘god didn’t create the filibuster’

    If the libs use this to pass the grotesquely unpopular health bill, it may cost them every independent and 20 percent of Democrats forever more.

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    Re: Barney frank: ‘god didn’t create the filibuster’

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    Because filibusters back then weren't indefinite. Eventually you had to stop talking, one way or another.
    Really?

    When the Democrats filibustered the Civil Rights Act of 1964, it was an indefinite tag team affair that was stopped only by LBJ recruiting Senate Republicans to stop it for him.

    Filibusters on legislation are an essential element of the American legislative process.

    The filibuster should not be used on presidential nominees, since the constitution does not require a supermajority vote on the Senate's "advise and consent" role, only in it's treaty ratification role.

    Note that Harriet Meiers didn't need a filibuster to be kept out of office.

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    Re: Barney frank: ‘god didn’t create the filibuster’

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    No, the filibuster was created because there was a loophole in the rules. Someone changed to rule to remove speaking limits, and then someone took advantage of that much later. The founding fathers didn't intent a 60% threshold for legislation. I wouldn't mind it being like in the olden days where you had to get up and read the phone book for hours to keep it going, but the modern day version where anyone can just decide to not let things go to vote without any actual actions on their part... not good.
    There is no 60% threshold for legislation. At any time 51% can vote to eliminate that rule. They just run the risk of appearing to try to usurp power, especially when it's to pass something as unpopular as the health care bill.

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    Re: Barney frank: ‘god didn’t create the filibuster’

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    If the libs use this to pass the grotesquely unpopular health bill, it may cost them every independent and 20 percent of Democrats forever more.
    Don't count on that.

    However, it's this kind of high-handed elitist strong arm **** that causes civil wars and riots.

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    Re: Barney frank: ‘god didn’t create the filibuster’

    After all the rule changes that have taken place regarding succession of the Massachussetts Senate seat, it should be obvious by now that Democrats want to change every rule possible to benefit themselves, regardless of what the country wants.

    The filibuster exists to keep the majority party from passing legislation that is wildly unpopular- kind of like the healthcare bill (34% approval rating). Republicans are using it appropriately in this case.
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    Re: Barney frank: ‘god didn’t create the filibuster’

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    There is no 60% threshold for legislation. At any time 51% can vote to eliminate that rule. They just run the risk of appearing to try to usurp power, especially when it's to pass something as unpopular as the health care bill.
    The Senate has to vote to change the rules, is all.

    How popular do you think a technical vote to bypass the traditions of the Senate will be when the only purpose is to pass a bill the majority of voters do not want, especially when today's election of Brown, if he wins, will be seen as a refutation of not only the Democrats' healthcare bill but a direct repudiation of the Messiah His Holy Self?

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    Re: Barney frank: ‘god didn’t create the filibuster’

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    It's 3/5 not 2/3, by the way, but I don't think we need it in most cases. It's contrary to the concept of a representative republic.
    I don't think it conflicts with us being a representative republic. That's because the "minority" can be a majority in certain states. An entire state, whose voice represents the "minority", is still part of that republic and an important part at that.

    Now if it was a local thing, like a town or a city legislative house, I can see your point. But the national congress is too massive for that to matter much.

    Because filibusters back then weren't indefinite. Eventually you had to stop talking, one way or another.
    I'm not so sure about that. Unless the Senate invokes cloture, I'm pretty sure the filibuster can last as long as the bill is alive. Am I incorrect?
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    Re: Barney frank: ‘god didn’t create the filibuster’

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    the part in charge always threatens to get rid of the filibuster, this is nothing new.
    Don't the democrats have the power to do just that?
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    Re: Barney frank: ‘god didn’t create the filibuster’

    Why do politicians feel the need to politicize God?
    "I do not underestimate the ability of fanatical groups of terrorists to kill and destroy, but they do not threaten the life of the nation. Whether we would survive Hitler hung in the balance, but there is no doubt that we shall survive al-Qa'ida." -- Lord Hoffmann

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    Re: Barney frank: ‘god didn’t create the filibuster’

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    Why do politicians feel the need to politicize God?
    I don't know but they've been doing that for just about the last 5,000 years.
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