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    Re: 8 Truths -- and the Consequences -- In Obama's First Year

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    Re: 8 Truths -- and the Consequences -- In Obama's First Year

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    Would it surprise that I hold a different opinion on a few of these?

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    Re: 8 Truths -- and the Consequences -- In Obama's First Year

    I think Pres. Obama has done a good job for his first year in office. I'd loved to have seen what he could have done without all the controveries, i.e., the economy, unemployment, cleaning up one war while trying to fix another to ensure victory (if one can ever have victory against global terrorism). This country is a mess, but the path was laid long before Obama took office. It's unfortunate that people with opposing views on his presidency (over his first year in office) won't acknowledge this and instead try to blame him for everything that has gone wrong. Of course, he's the President and as most will say, "the buck stops here with me".

    I don't think Obama's foreign policy agenda has been bad. In fact, I think he did more positive things than negative. What some would call "apologizing", I call "starting a new path to dialog". It's funny how suddenly this failed Christmas Day terror attempt is being taughted as a "blunder" by the Obama Administration. No one said that when the Shoe Bomber was caught by passengers and not security personnel. Okay, so in that respect - that it took actions by vigilant passengers and not security details - this was a blunder. But the guy was stopped! It was a failed attempt - one part the terrorist and his shabby equipment, the other vigilant passengers. So, while I don't give our government any credit for thwarting this terrorist attempt, I will say that you can't claim the Obama Administration's national security policies or his forgien policies any more or less than you could former Pres. Bush (43). We've yet to have another terrorist attact on U.S. soil since 9/11 thanks in large part to our national security agencies. Yes, they dropped the ball on this one episode (), but Obama's domestic terrorism score card is no worse than Bush's: 1 and 1.

    As for Iran and N. Korea and their nukes, here again G. W. Bush was no more successful at getting either country to stop their nuclear weapons programs. Frankly, I question what exactly is this nation to do about any nation that wants to explore nuclear technology themselves. No, I'm not for it, but I've often wondered why this nation, if not the world, seems to think it's our responsiblity to halt nuclear weapons proliforation. IMO, that's a U.N. problem, not a USA problem...except when acquiring such weaponry violates our national security policy and said country uses same against us. So far, none have (counting my blessing here and knocking on wood).

    On the health care front, the Republican party has done more to thwart efforts here while also doing little to improve health care in this nation. They talk out of the side of their necks; on the one hand they admit it's a big problem, but on the other hand they do very little to bring about change. I'm for putting forth the best health care legistlation possible, too, but you don't get there by demanding every consession imaginable while offering little to nothing to improve things. Clearly, the Republican party has stonewalled on this issue from day one. It hasn't been about providing better health care to the people; it's been about creating mass confusion, descention and chaos just so they can reclaim Senate/House seats. Now, granted even some Democrats have begun to backpeddle on health care reform, but I'll give them credit where it's due; atleast when push came to shove they worked out a compromise and got something out of both bodies of Congress so that the issue can finally begin to move forward. We'll see what happens in the coming weeks ahead.

    And last, on the ARRA bill...even I knew this was a 2-year deal with more "incentives" thrown at state and federal government programs than to the commercial sector, but folks, you have to realize that at the time of it's passage our nation's economy truly could not fix itself. The only entities that could help keep our economy afloat at the time were state and federal government agencies. Many people who benefited from acquiring a state or federal job once the ARRA was passed with tell you they were grateful for it. Many people who were able to stay in their homes will tell you they were grateful to have a roof over their heads. Was it the best plan? No. But for what small measure came of it (and may still come of it in the near future) were good things. I, too, wish it did alot more than what can be measured today, but under the circumstances, I think it was the right thing to do. I just would have done it differently, i.e., cut out alot of the red tape and not put so much emphasis on the numbers game (i.e., jobs created or saved...how do you count that stuff anyway?).
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    Re: 8 Truths -- and the Consequences -- In Obama's First Year

    I think the problem isn't with Obama. He (in my opinion) sees his job as being elected for 2 terms and live up to worth notions of equality, peace and civil liberties. Restoring "dignity" to the presidency was also something I have heard, I am on the fence about that.

    He does not see his job as fixing all of our nations problems. He is going to pick a few, make some changes, then package it as change. Then he can step down, handing off his legacy of changes to a hand picked successor.

    I don't see this as a system that will work well in the long run. Roam was once terrified of having a king. They put very careful road blocks to make sure no one person ever had too much power. Big issues that came about (at the start of the republic) were solved by courageous men who where given total power. They used that power limitedly. Solved the big problem, then gave the power back.

    The system worked well, so why not make it better. "Dictator for life!" cried the masses supporting Cesar. "Fix all our problems, just like you did the Gauls."

    I am not saying Obama should be our new king, or that he will be stabbed to death in the senate house, I am just saying history tends to repeat it self. Our American history is not all that deferent from other empires doomed to fail. Don't be surprised if some day there is a new great leader, with all the evil shadowy powers propping the leader up from behind out of self interest.

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    Re: 8 Truths -- and the Consequences -- In Obama's First Year

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    While I do think that Obama is pretty much a sham of a President (I called it before the election, I said it will be Chicago politics), I'm not sure we'd have been better off with the alternative. IMO, they were both crappy candidates and we didn't even get to entertain the notion of responsible, small government candidates from the election. We got Obama...maybe slightly better (if that) than McCain, but we'd be in the same boat regardless. Till we get it through our skulls that elections are important to the survival of the Republic and actually start demanding accountability and participation in the system; we're gonna get the same ol' bottom of the barrel candidates. And when it seems like we've hit rock bottom...someone will bust out a spade.
    An excellent post and you also hit the nail firmly on the head.

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    Re: 8 Truths -- and the Consequences -- In Obama's First Year

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    While I do think that Obama is pretty much a sham of a President (I called it before the election, I said it will be Chicago politics), I'm not sure we'd have been better off with the alternative. IMO, they were both crappy candidates and we didn't even get to entertain the notion of responsible, small government candidates from the election. We got Obama...maybe slightly better (if that) than McCain, but we'd be in the same boat regardless. Till we get it through our skulls that elections are important to the survival of the Republic and actually start demanding accountability and participation in the system; we're gonna get the same ol' bottom of the barrel candidates. And when it seems like we've hit rock bottom...someone will bust out a spade.
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    Re: 8 Truths -- and the Consequences -- In Obama's First Year

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