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    Handling of Ft. Hood shooting suspect could bring discipline

    Let the scapegoating begin.

    Reporting from Washington - Between five and eight Army officers are expected to face discipline for failing to take action against the accused Ft. Hood shooter, Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, over a series of behavioral and professional problems in the years leading up to the November rampage.


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    Re: Handling of Ft. Hood shooting suspect could bring discipline

    Who would you hold accountable?

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    Re: Handling of Ft. Hood shooting suspect could bring discipline

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Who would you hold accountable?
    In this case, I wouldn't any one person accountable. I would hold the system that allowed this situation to fester accountable and then fix it.

    Frying these officers isn't going to accomplish anything. It's not going to fix the system. It'll only confound and already confused system.

    The next time these conditions exist and officers report them, they'll be accused of some PC crime and then we'll be right back where we were.
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    Re: Handling of Ft. Hood shooting suspect could bring discipline

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    In this case, I wouldn't any one person accountable. I would hold the system that allowed this situation to fester accountable and then fix it.

    Frying these officers isn't going to accomplish anything. It's not going to fix the system. It'll only confound and already confused system.

    The next time these conditions exist and officers report them, they'll be accused of some PC crime and then we'll be right back where we were.
    I may agree, depending on what in the system you see as needing fixing.

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    Re: Handling of Ft. Hood shooting suspect could bring discipline

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I may agree, depending on what in the system you see as needing fixing.
    It's simple: leaders shouldn't be afraid of negative fallout when they report a soldier who appears to be a threat to his fellow soldiers.
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    Re: Handling of Ft. Hood shooting suspect could bring discipline

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It's simple: leaders shouldn't be afraid of negative fallout when they report a soldier who appears to be a threat to his fellow soldiers.
    Fellow soldiers shouldn't be afraid either because of PC concerns.
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    Re: Handling of Ft. Hood shooting suspect could bring discipline

    this is classic cover your ass monday morning quarterbacking by the military

    the guy was a shrink
    that crap about being unfit and not looking soldierly is so bogus
    the military doesn't make doctors play soldier
    they expect them to practice medicine

    and why should anyone take note that he lived in a cheap apartment on the seedy side of town. i've known people to live well below their means to be able to have the financial ability to help others who need it

    his military performance was never unacceptable
    he was adamant that his religious views be tolerated
    he owned weapons
    base your suspicion on that profile and you must then suspect most of those on active duty

    and what person is going to risk their career calling out a psychiatrist, insisting that he is too emotional and thus a risk to his unit, when there is absolutely nothing indicated which would have sustained such an allegation

    but then this is the same military brass which covered up the pat tillman death, propagandized the jessica lynch rescue, and prosecuted low ranking abu ghraib jailers for following direct orders ... all while liddy is at the white house getting away with disclosing the identity of a covert CIA agent for partisan political purposes

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    Re: Handling of Ft. Hood shooting suspect could bring discipline

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    In this case, I wouldn't any one person accountable. I would hold the system that allowed this situation to fester accountable and then fix it.

    Frying these officers isn't going to accomplish anything. It's not going to fix the system. It'll only confound and already confused system.

    The next time these conditions exist and officers report them, they'll be accused of some PC crime and then we'll be right back where we were.
    Couldn't agree more.
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    Re: Handling of Ft. Hood shooting suspect could bring discipline

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It's simple: leaders shouldn't be afraid of negative fallout when they report a soldier who appears to be a threat to his fellow soldiers.
    And what evidence do we have of there being a possibility of a negative fallout? Or that there was something in the system that demanded a negative fallout? I think many assume things wrongly, and then treat their inaccurate assumptions as if they were fact.

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    Re: Handling of Ft. Hood shooting suspect could bring discipline

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    And what evidence do we have of there being a possibility of a negative fallout? Or that there was something in the system that demanded a negative fallout? I think many assume things wrongly, and then treat their inaccurate assumptions as if they were fact.
    What evidence? Two words, "Flying Immams".
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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