Page 5 of 5 FirstFirst ... 345
Results 41 to 45 of 45

Thread: Handling of Ft. Hood shooting suspect could bring discipline

  1. #41
    Sage
    apdst's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    Bagdad, La.
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 08:55 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Conservative
    Posts
    76,584

    Re: Handling of Ft. Hood shooting suspect could bring discipline

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, that's incorrect. They worried, according to your article, that the process was too difficult. Professionals don't neglect their job because it is tough or difficult.

    And nothing about them removes responsibility from Hasan. He is guilty of what he did. No one else. But that fact doesn't excuse others from not doing their job either. Everyone is responsible for their own individual actions. And as is common in life, there is often more than one person who holds a specific responsibility in a terrible event.
    You obviously didn't read the article.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

  2. #42
    Sage
    Boo Radley's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Last Seen
    11-22-17 @ 04:22 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    36,858

    Re: Handling of Ft. Hood shooting suspect could bring discipline

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    ok, so i ask you again, based on what you know of his behavior and his job performance - prior to the shooting - what charges of unprofessionalism should have been levied and by whom?
    First, I'm addressing the claim that political correctness is to blame. The claim was that officers could not act due to political correctness. The argument back, by me, was that if there was cause to act, political correctness would not be a excuse. So, you need to know the argument before you can ask for support.

    Second, from the artilce posted abve:

    Starting in the spring of 2008, key officials from Walter Reed Army Medical Center and the Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences held a series of meetings and conversations, in part about Maj. Nidal Hasan, the man accused of killing 13 people and wounding dozens of others last week during a shooting spree at Fort Hood. One of the questions they pondered: Was Hasan psychotic?

    “Put it this way,” says one official familiar with the conversations that took place. “Everybody felt that if you were deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan, you would not want Nidal Hasan in your foxhole.”

    (snip)

    So why didn’t officials act on their concerns and seek to remove Hasan from his duties, or at least order him to receive a mental health evaluation? Interviews with these officials suggest that a chain of unrelated events and factors deterred them.

    For one thing, Walter Reed and most medical institutions have a cumbersome and lengthy process for expelling doctors, involving hearings and potential legal battles. As a result, sources say, key decision-makers decided it would be too difficult, if not unfeasible, to put Hasan on probation and possibly expel him from the program. . . . . .

  3. #43
    Sage
    Boo Radley's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Last Seen
    11-22-17 @ 04:22 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    36,858

    Re: Handling of Ft. Hood shooting suspect could bring discipline

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You obviously didn't read the article.
    Yes I did. Quote it above.

  4. #44
    Sage
    apdst's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    Bagdad, La.
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 08:55 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Conservative
    Posts
    76,584

    Re: Handling of Ft. Hood shooting suspect could bring discipline

    From the article:

    some of Hasan’s supervisors and instructors had told colleagues that they repeatedly bent over backward to support and encourage him, because they didn’t have clear evidence that he was unstable, and they worried they might be “discriminating” against Hasan because of his seemingly extremist Islamic beliefs.
    It can't be any cheesier to say that the reason Hasan successfully launched his attack, is because he was drummed out of the service for being a substandard officer.

    I certainly hope that that's not going to be what we depend on to weed out ptentially dangerous service members.
    Last edited by apdst; 01-22-10 at 02:29 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

  5. #45
    Sage
    Boo Radley's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Last Seen
    11-22-17 @ 04:22 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    36,858

    Re: Handling of Ft. Hood shooting suspect could bring discipline

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    From the article:



    It can't be any cheesier to say that the reason Hasan successfully launched his attack, is because he was drummed out of the service for being a substandard officer.

    I certainly hope that that's not going to be what we depend on to weed out ptentially dangerous service members.
    He wasn't drummed out. Nor are their worries an excuse not to do their job. If they had concerns, their job was to act on them, concerns or not.

Page 5 of 5 FirstFirst ... 345

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •