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    Re: Handling of Ft. Hood shooting suspect could bring discipline

    Quote Originally Posted by Alvin T. Grey View Post
    Ok, I ask this in all honesty.

    If they did report suspicious behaviour and that was found to be false, why would they suffer if they can prove that such suspicion was warrented in the first place?

    Hasan could have made a complaint to the equal oppurtunity board. These officers would have been reviewed by the EO board and the review would have become a permanent part of their record and it goes on that officers command fitness report.

    Now, you're a brigade commander and you need to promote a new commander to one of your battalions. Are you going to pick the guy with an EO board review on his record, or are you going to pick another guy that is just as qualified and doesn't have an EO review? Be honest.

    Remember, you're a commander, too. You have a command fitness report to worry about, too. You're responsible for the actions of the men under your command. Are you really going to give command to an officer with an official charge of prejudice behavior?

    We had very similar type situations back in my time as subversive groups tried to use our military for weapons training, tactics, explosive training etc. The first line of defence against that type of practice was the other soldiers in the batallion....?
    They were probably white Christians, too. Am I close?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Handling of Ft. Hood shooting suspect could bring discipline

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The point is, that those passengers showed some intiative and got sued for their dilegence. In the future, they won't say anything and the next time might be an actual operation. Then, people won't worry about getting sued and we'll start all over again.

    The same scenario exists with these officers.
    We already had a next time, and passengers did act. There is nothing to that supposition of yours here. Nor does it apply to military officers dong a job performance evaluation. These are professionals evaluating another professional. They do not compare to the civilians.

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    Re: Handling of Ft. Hood shooting suspect could bring discipline

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    We already had a next time, and passengers did act. There is nothing to that supposition of yours here. Nor does it apply to military officers dong a job performance evaluation. These are professionals evaluating another professional. They do not compare to the civilians.
    When was that? And, the Chistmas attack isn't the same thingm unless you mean that a Muslim dude, with no luggage, paid cash for a one way ticket to Detroit and no one did jack **** about it.

    They are professionals evaluating professionals. But, just like--even moreso-- in the private sector political correctness plays a huge part in that evaluation process.

    If you've never been in the service, you can't imagine how easily it is to get pinned with a racism charge and how that can affect your career, especially during a peace time military where the government is getting rid of active duty officers for any little excuse they can find.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Handling of Ft. Hood shooting suspect could bring discipline

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    When was that? And, the Chistmas attack isn't the same thingm unless you mean that a Muslim dude, with no luggage, paid cash for a one way ticket to Detroit and no one did jack **** about it.

    They are professionals evaluating professionals. But, just like--even moreso-- in the private sector political correctness plays a huge part in that evaluation process.

    If you've never been in the service, you can't imagine how easily it is to get pinned with a racism charge and how that can affect your career, especially during a peace time military where the government is getting rid of active duty officers for any little excuse they can find.
    It was the same thing, only with a reason as opposed to not having a reason. So, nothing important has been hindered.

    You merely assume political correctness plays a role and have not shown that it does in anyway. And any professional who let it play a role should be fired.

    BTW, I have been in the service. 82nd Airborne, HHB division arty.

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    Re: Handling of Ft. Hood shooting suspect could bring discipline

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It was the same thing, only with a reason as opposed to not having a reason. So, nothing important has been hindered.

    You merely assume political correctness plays a role and have not shown that it does in anyway. And any professional who let it play a role should be fired.

    BTW, I have been in the service. 82nd Airborne, HHB division arty.
    Thank you for your service.

    Then, you understand what it means to have an EO review placed in your 201 file.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Handling of Ft. Hood shooting suspect could bring discipline

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Hasan could have made a complaint to the equal oppurtunity board. These officers would have been reviewed by the EO board and the review would have become a permanent part of their record and it goes on that officers command fitness report.

    Now, you're a brigade commander and you need to promote a new commander to one of your battalions. Are you going to pick the guy with an EO board review on his record, or are you going to pick another guy that is just as qualified and doesn't have an EO review? Be honest.
    To tell you the truth, it depends on the calibre of officer. In a tie break, maybe.

    Remember, you're a commander, too. You have a command fitness report to worry about, too. You're responsible for the actions of the men under your command. Are you really going to give command to an officer with an official charge of prejudice behavior?
    Depends on the outcome of the board.



    They were probably white Christians, too. Am I close?
    They were catholic, so yeah. I suppose so. But so were their opposition un the UVF, UDA, etc.

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    Re: Handling of Ft. Hood shooting suspect could bring discipline

    Quote Originally Posted by Alvin T. Grey View Post
    To tell you the truth, it depends on the calibre of officer. In a tie break, maybe.
    It ain't gonna happen. I bet Boo would even agree with me on that.






    They were catholic, so yeah. I suppose so. But so were their opposition un the UVF, UDA, etc.
    There ya go. They were white Christians, so it was ok.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Handling of Ft. Hood shooting suspect could bring discipline

    One thing I liked about being in the military was when people **** up, people whose job was to keep particular **** ups from happening have some explaining to do and heads usually roll. If we had more of this in civilian life with some of our agencies like the Homeland Security we'd be much better off. In the military excuses were only for losers, mistakes get people killed.

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    Re: Handling of Ft. Hood shooting suspect could bring discipline

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    There ya go. They were white Christians, so it was ok.
    I don't understand. Surely an incorrect accusation is incorrect regardless of the religious beliefs of the accused?
    Did you not have similar issues when the armed forces were integrated after segregation?
    Would it not be handled the same way?


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    Re: Handling of Ft. Hood shooting suspect could bring discipline

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    If you've never been in the service, you can't imagine how easily it is to get pinned with a racism charge and how that can affect your career, especially during a peace time military where the government is getting rid of active duty officers for any little excuse they can find.
    Is that what happened to you?

    Oh well, matters not to me what they do to them. I hate officers

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