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Sarah Palin Can't Name A Founding Father

C'mon Jall....they said the same thing about Dan Quayle and he like Palin....proved them wrong time and time again.

Yeah, kinda funny how the media frenzies like sharks on certain people. Look at Joe Biden...he is known as a gaffe machine and when he says something stupid, the reaction is..."Har har har, Joe said something dumb again. Well that's just Joe, you know" but when Palin takes a moment of thought to answer a question, then it becomes "ZOMGWTF, she's a dumb bitch, can anyone really be that stupid1111!!!!111!!!
 
If a question like that was able to instill a moment of paralysis by analysis then she has no place near public office. People will be aggressively questioning everything, and if she freezes up over meaningless questions like what papers do you read or who is your favorite founding father, then she'll have no ability to answer even tougher questions. But these sorts of things seem to be very habitual for her. Maybe once I could say she was unprepared or tongue-tied. But if it's consistent behavior, as seems to be the case, then it's a sign of something else. And that something else is related to intelligence and critical thinking.

I would want to agree with you except, she should have known the basic idea of what they would ask. She portrays herself as Loving the Constitution, our Forefathers, America and such. Surely she should have seen such a question coming. Had they asked her a subject from left field such as the effects of miro-organisims of the Columbian cattle and the effect it has on the people there ready to revolt then sure, cut her some slack. But ForeFathers?????
 
Yeah, kinda funny how the media frenzies like sharks on certain people. Look at Joe Biden...he is known as a gaffe machine and when he says something stupid, the reaction is..."Har har har, Joe said something dumb again. Well that's just Joe, you know" but when Palin takes a moment of thought to answer a question, then it becomes "ZOMGWTF, she's a dumb bitch, can anyone really be that stupid1111!!!!111!!!

Yeah....Biden is definitely prone to gaffes the same as Palin and Quayle. That is true.
 
Whatever...the question 'chocolate or strawberry?' can catch me off guard and having to think about it depending on my mood. And who my favorite founding father is? Well, now that can definitely give me a good reason to stop and think.

The only reason to stop and think about it is to determine if you like Adams or Jefferson more.

Public servant, public speaker, they should have the skills for this sort of thing because they are going to get harder, tougher questions and if they freeze up every time you ask them a question, it's god damned pointless to have them there in the first place. To control, we must know. We have to get answers. You can't answer what news papers you read, who your favorite founders are, etc. you're not going to be able to answer the hard stuff. Sorry, but it's part of the job and you'd best be able to do it if you want the job. No sympathy, no slacking, no excuses. Answer the questions or GTFO.

Besides, many of us who are asked questions on which we have knowledge but maybe need to think about it can at least engage in a conversation weighing the options. She had nothing, a blank. It indicates what's in her head.
 
Well, okay. It was just confusing how you suddenly interjected the irrelevant factor into the thread. It sounded less like you were introducing a new point and more like you were responding to someone specifically within the thread.

But anyway, to build on that, ignoring her would do no good because whatever other weaknesses she has, she is bar none one of the best self-promoters I have ever seen. She's built her fame on the shoulders of being...well, famous. There was a woman who built her fame along similar lines in Los Angeles in the eighties or nineties...Angelyn, I believe...and she achieved fame by putting herself on billboards everywhere. No reason, no context, just her face and name. Eventually enough people got to believe that for whatever reason, she was a famous person.

Interesting that you'd say that.

I remember when Obama was out on the campaign trail Reps, Conservs were talking about his "rock star/celebraty" image. It's funny how you don't hear them say this same thing about Sarah Palin now since she went on her book tour and her "celebraty status" has increased. And understand she no longer has any real political ties to either party since she's no longer the governor of Alaska and she's not holding any political office. Yet, Reps/Conservs are quite okay with letting her be out there front and center. On the one hand they lift her up whenever they can, but on the other hand they're quick to say "she's a maverick and really doesn't speak for the Republican/Conservative party but we like what she has to say".

:roll:

As to the issue of Palin's relevence, I think it depends on where her party sees as her role in future politics.

If they view her as another spokes person, then she may be in trouble. IMO, she tends to speak before she speaks and that bods as well as Barney Frank going on one of his rants. But, where Palin helps her party best is drumming home that good ole boy, back woods, wholesome feeling of being a "true American" that resinates quite well within with Republican party. For some reason, Republicans truly believe themselves as being more "American" than any liberal on the planet. So, to that Palin could be a good uniting entity for Republican that may be a problem for Democrats. And let's be honest; before she came onto the scene Republicans were looking for their young, charismatic politician with sex appeal to counter Obama, and they found such a person in Sarah Palin. Let's face it, Bobby Jendell (R-LA) just wasn't cutting it - good American name with an Islamic face...worse than having the middle name of "Hussein", but born and raised in America by Americans (white Americans at that). And now, we have the handsome, sexy Scott Brown on the scene fresh out of political high school as it were. You can't tell me that the Republican party won't be trying to pump up the volume on charisma with this two around (RE: Brown/Palin).

So, no. Sarah Palin is not irrelevant. If anything, she's like an Independent who's merely there to distract and pull attention (and votes) away from either party that is made to look less relevent than the other. If the Democrats don't look out, these two will certainly do it with nothing more than their good looks...much as has been claimed (or substantiated depending on what literature you read concerning Obama's rise to power) Pres. Obama did while out on the campaing trail.
 
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The only reason to stop and think about it is to determine if you like Adams or Jefferson more.

Adams and Jefferson were not the only two founders. Let's Palin your statement up for a second:

ZOMGWTF Ikari thinks that Adams and Jefferson were the only two founders of the country. What a ****ing dumbass!!! How does anyone think he even deserves to be on this forum posting??!!??!!?

Public servant, public speaker, they should have the skills for this sort of thing because they are going to get harder, tougher questions and if they freeze up every time you ask them a question, it's god damned pointless to have them there in the first place.

Then someone should have probably said that to everyone who proclaims Jefferson's greatness as he was a notoriously poor public speaker despite being one of the greatest public servants. Einstein sounded next to retarded when he spoke but he was a ****ing genius. FDR wasn't acclaimed as a great speaker either.

So it's "god damned pointless" to hinge your view of someone's potential on a campaign to expose gaffes that anyone else would make.

To control, we must know. We have to get answers. You can't answer what news papers you read, who your favorite founders are, etc. you're not going to be able to answer the hard stuff. Sorry, but it's part of the job and you'd best be able to do it if you want the job. No sympathy, no slacking, no excuses. Answer the questions or GTFO.

You have shown no evidence that she couldn't answer the questions. Concerning the newspaper only that she refused to answer the question.

And no one is making excuses here except for you and your excuses are for being lazy and shallow in your analysis of the woman in basing your opinions off a youtube of a gaffe rather than an interested study of her policy and achievements. :shrug:

Besides, many of us who are asked questions on which we have knowledge but maybe need to think about it can at least engage in a conversation weighing the options. She had nothing, a blank. It indicates what's in her head.

No it does not. It indicates a captured moment replayed for the specific purpose of making her look bad so that the trained dogs will come running to lap it up each and every time the "Palin is bad" whistle goes off.
 
Adams and Jefferson were not the only two founders. Let's Palin your statement up for a second:

That part was mostly tongue in cheek. But the correct answer is Jefferson.

Then someone should have probably said that to everyone who proclaims Jefferson's greatness as he was a notoriously poor public speaker despite being one of the greatest public servants. Einstein sounded next to retarded when he spoke but he was a ****ing genius. FDR wasn't acclaimed as a great speaker either.

Yet they could respond to questioning. If you asked Einstein about his theories, he would not have given a blank stare. Jefferson could answer questions on political theory. FDR...well I don't think so favorably about that guy anyway.

So it's "god damned pointless" to hinge your view of someone's potential on a campaign to expose gaffes that anyone else would make.

While in many aspects, I am superhuman, telepathy is not something I've yet to develop. Until such time, if I am to gauge a political candidate I can only go off of what they say...or don't say. The "gaffes" she made were not of some advanced theoretical debate, they were simple questions. And it's not like it's a one time HAHA sort of thing. It's been repeated. That's the data I have, I have to be able to make a decision off of that. It's one thing if someone has demonstrated a wide breadth of intelligence and ability and then makes a mistake every once in awhile. It's another when one has not demonstrated a wide breadth of intelligence and ability and often makes the same mistakes when speaking. I go merely off the data, I think instead of your accusations against me that it seems more like you want Palin to be something she hasn't really demonstrated herself to be at this point.

You have shown no evidence that she couldn't answer the questions. Concerning the newspaper only that she refused to answer the question.

Other than the fact that she couldn't answer questions and retorted after some moment of blanking with vague statements.

And no one is making excuses here except for you and your excuses are for being lazy and shallow in your analysis of the woman in basing your opinions off a youtube of a gaffe rather than an interested study of her policy and achievements. :shrug:

Policy of what? What achievements? We have to get to a point where questions on those things can be aggressively asked and answered, but we haven't quite made it that far.

No it does not. It indicates a captured moment replayed for the specific purpose of making her look bad so that the trained dogs will come running to lap it up each and every time the "Palin is bad" whistle goes off.

I mean, that door can swing both ways if you really want to go that route.
 
That part was mostly tongue in cheek. But the correct answer is Jefferson.



Yet they could respond to questioning. If you asked Einstein about his theories, he would not have given a blank stare. Jefferson could answer questions on political theory. FDR...well I don't think so favorably about that guy anyway.



While in many aspects, I am superhuman, telepathy is not something I've yet to develop. Until such time, if I am to gauge a political candidate I can only go off of what they say...or don't say. The "gaffes" she made were not of some advanced theoretical debate, they were simple questions. And it's not like it's a one time HAHA sort of thing. It's been repeated. That's the data I have, I have to be able to make a decision off of that. It's one thing if someone has demonstrated a wide breadth of intelligence and ability and then makes a mistake every once in awhile. It's another when one has not demonstrated a wide breadth of intelligence and ability and often makes the same mistakes when speaking. I go merely off the data, I think instead of your accusations against me that it seems more like you want Palin to be something she hasn't really demonstrated herself to be at this point.

That's ****ing laughable. Your data is to take a collection of gaffes made by the woman and use that selection of gaffes to say she is...prone to gaffes. That's not even close to being fair minded.

Other than the fact that she couldn't answer questions and retorted after some moment of blanking with vague statements.



Policy of what? What achievements? We have to get to a point where questions on those things can be aggressively asked and answered, but we haven't quite made it that far.



I mean, that door can swing both ways if you really want to go that route.

Go that route. I don't really give a ****. I know one thing...on policy issues, I am more than capable of proving Palin's usefulness and value. I am sure you can make the same claim when it comes to youtubes of gaffes and Tina Fey impersonations to make an opposite case. It's all in what you value for information. :shrug:
 
That's ****ing laughable. Your data is to take a collection of gaffes made by the woman and use that selection of gaffes to say she is...prone to gaffes. That's not even close to being fair minded.

No, again it's your bias being applied. You want to assume that's the case. It makes it easier for you to do because you can pretend some bias then and dismiss a claim. But the bias isn't being applied by me, it's you who wishes Palin to be something she's not...notably coherent. I've listened to what she said and tried to make sense of any political philosophy she may truly hold. It happens, however, that she has an incredibly large number of gaffes, a demonstrated inability to answer questions. That's the fact. You can rally as much as you like against it, but it's not going to change the reality of the situation.

Go that route. I don't really give a ****. I know one thing...on policy issues, I am more than capable of proving Palin's usefulness and value. I am sure you can make the same claim when it comes to youtubes of gaffes and Tina Fey impersonations to make an opposite case. It's all in what you value for information. :shrug:

Again, this is your personal bias. You want Palin to be something that she's not. You have a discredited governorship she eventually quit. And that's about the sum of any useful government experience she could bring to the table. There is a history of her being unable to answer questions (wasn't she unable to answer what the responsibilities of the Vice President were?), even incredibly simple questions. If the questions were complex, there could have been more forgiveness, but it wasn't. That's the fact of reality. Take it or leave it, but no amount of bias and wishful thinking is going to change it.
 
Jall is a political partisan, what matters is party identification and popular within the party. I'm sure if Barack Obama had this kind of delay in answering a question he'd be singing a different tune. Jall has no universal standards, you get different treat based on political affiliation.
 
Jall is a political partisan, what matters is party identification and popular within the party. I'm sure if Barack Obama had this kind of delay in answering a question he'd be singing a different tune. Jall has no universal standards, you get different treat based on political affiliation.

You, sir, don't know jack **** about me and what my affiliations are. I suggest, before you look even more foolish, that you hold that wagging tongue of yours and wait until you can come to a more informed opinion, oh ye 200 post wonder, you.
 
No, again it's your bias being applied. You want to assume that's the case. It makes it easier for you to do because you can pretend some bias then and dismiss a claim. But the bias isn't being applied by me, it's you who wishes Palin to be something she's not...notably coherent. I've listened to what she said and tried to make sense of any political philosophy she may truly hold. It happens, however, that she has an incredibly large number of gaffes, a demonstrated inability to answer questions. That's the fact. You can rally as much as you like against it, but it's not going to change the reality of the situation.

That's all so much opinion and so very little fact. It's like all potatos and no meat. But that's usually what PDS devolves to.

Again, this is your personal bias. You want Palin to be something that she's not. You have a discredited governorship she eventually quit. And that's about the sum of any useful government experience she could bring to the table. There is a history of her being unable to answer questions (wasn't she unable to answer what the responsibilities of the Vice President were?), even incredibly simple questions. If the questions were complex, there could have been more forgiveness, but it wasn't. That's the fact of reality. Take it or leave it, but no amount of bias and wishful thinking is going to change it.

Again, that's all a bunch of opinion with no fact to back it up. I notice you rarely offer any concrete evidence of why you feel the way you do, but you sure do have a lot of strong rhetoric to eclipse the fact that you offer no substance.

It's all bias on your part. But it is something you can change if you made the effort to inform yourself and bring a coherent argument that doesn't center around "Well, like, umm...ya...I just like totally thing she's stupid cuz that's what my bff on youtube like told me yesterday."
 
That's all so much opinion and so very little fact. It's like all potatos and no meat. But that's usually what PDS devolves to.

Laughable defense at best. Time and time again she hasn't been able to answer simple questions. That is fact, not opinion. Measured. You can rally against measurement as much as you want, but you've offered no facts nothing to back up your claim. Yours is only biased opinion, but that's usually what PDS devolves to

Again, that's all a bunch of opinion with no fact to back it up. I notice you rarely offer any concrete evidence of why you feel the way you do, but you sure do have a lot of strong rhetoric to eclipse the fact that you offer no substance.

It's all bias on your part. But it is something you can change if you made the effort to inform yourself and bring a coherent argument that doesn't center around "Well, like, umm...ya...I just like totally thing she's stupid cuz that's what my bff on youtube like told me yesterday."

You've offered not 1 iota of support, you've only had personal opinion and delusion of grandeur. I have stated measurement, you have stated nothing.

It's all bias on your part. But it is something you can change if you made the effort to inform youself and bring a coherent argument that doesn't center around "Well, like, umm...ya...I just totally think she's the second coming of Christ that's what my bff in Alaska like told me yesterday."
 
Laughable defense at best. Time and time again she hasn't been able to answer simple questions. That is fact, not opinion. Measured. You can rally against measurement as much as you want, but you've offered no facts nothing to back up your claim. Yours is only biased opinion, but that's usually what PDS devolves to

You aren't offering any form of measurement whatsoever. Just this nebulous idea that her gaffes outweigh her relevant comment when pulling only from a selection of gaffes.

It's just retarded how you are trying to present yourself as having some kind of rational measure when you, quite simply, don't.

You've offered not 1 iota of support, you've only had personal opinion and delusion of grandeur. I have stated measurement, you have stated nothing.

It's all bias on your part. But it is something you can change if you made the effort to inform youself and bring a coherent argument that doesn't center around "Well, like, umm...ya...I just totally think she's the second coming of Christ that's what my bff in Alaska like told me yesterday."

Well that's just a complete divergence from reality or a very poor attempt at telling a tall one. I have criticized Palin and I have defended her policies. You have done nothing to advance your point except regurgitate my own snarkiness back at me without even having the creativity to make it your own.

No wonder you can't make a coherent argument on this issue. :shrug:

Tell you what, when you discover a way to relate this secret measurement system of yours that undeniably proves by her gaffes that she is unintelligent or whatever it is you are trying to portray (I have serious misgivings as to whether you even know, yourself, what you are trying to say), you just let me know. Or if you're feeling really brave...we can debate her record and her policies.

But until then, you are pretty much relegated to the PDS crowd along with Disneydude, PogueMoran, and other assorted basketcases.
 
You aren't offering any form of measurement whatsoever.

Recorded speeches and questioning is a measurement. So yes, yes I have.

Just this nebulous idea that her gaffes outweigh her relevant comment when pulling only from a selection of gaffes.

I think you just can't get over the fact that she hasn't presented herself in any coherent manner or demonstrated the ability to respond to simple questions. Sorry, but as I said you can rally against reality as much as you want but it doesn't change the situation.

It's just retarded how you are trying to present yourself as having some kind of rational measure when you, quite simply, don't.

Well more rational than what you've thus far done.

Well that's just a complete divergence from reality or a very poor attempt at telling a tall one. I have criticized Palin and I have defended her policies. You have done nothing to advance your point except regurgitate my own snarkiness back at me without even having the creativity to make it your own.

Just showing that your glass house isn't out of the danger zone.

No wonder you can't make a coherent argument on this issue. :shrug:

I've made plenty of them, in this thread in fact. If you can't answer simple questions, then how do you answer complex ones? If you can't answer what the vice-President's job is, what newspapers you read, who your favorite founder is...what's left? If you continually whiff at the softball there's no way to hit a major league pitch. She has yet to demonstrate any amount of coherence or ability and I won't consider her a valid candidate until she does.

Tell you what, when you discover a way to relate this secret measurement system of yours that undeniably proves by her gaffes that she is unintelligent or whatever it is you are trying to portray (I have serious misgivings as to whether you even know, yourself, what you are trying to say), you just let me know. Or if you're feeling really brave...we can debate her record and her policies.

When you can present a coherent message of hers which she can intelligently defend against questioning, let me know. Till then we have a failed governorship, a failed bid on a Presidential ticket, and a well documented inability to answer simple questions.

But until then, you are pretty much relegated to the PDS crowd along with Disneydude, PogueMoran, and other assorted basketcases.

But until then, you are pretty much relegated to the PDS crowd along with Truth Detector and other assorted basketcases.
 
If some liberals think that Palin is so irrelevant, wouldn't it make sense for those liberals to stop paying attention to her and discussing her? Just wondering about that.

12 thanks for a lame statement like that and whats funny we constantly get 12 conservatives trying to defend her:rofl

Paul
 
Recorded speeches and questioning is a measurement. So yes, yes I have.

Recorded speech and questioning, sure. Ok, so how much? How many questions? Over what length of time?

That's not a measure. It was a feeble attempt at portraying yourself as having one. But in the end, it fails.


I think you just can't get over the fact that she hasn't presented herself in any coherent manner or demonstrated the ability to respond to simple questions. Sorry, but as I said you can rally against reality as much as you want but it doesn't change the situation.

I think you can't get over the fact that you have painted yourself into a corner and are about to get beat down with your own words. What's the measure, Ikari. Can you quantify it in any tangible way at all?


Well more rational than what you've thus far done.

"Nuh-uh...I know you are but what am I? Huh?" :roll:

Just showing that your glass house isn't out of the danger zone.

Or a total lack of creativity and ability to respond without resorting to childish mocking. What are you gonna do next? Start playing the "I'm not touching you" game? :lol:

I've made plenty of them, in this thread in fact. If you can't answer simple questions, then how do you answer complex ones? If you can't answer what the vice-President's job is, what newspapers you read, who your favorite founder is...what's left? If you continually whiff at the softball there's no way to hit a major league pitch. She has yet to demonstrate any amount of coherence or ability and I won't consider her a valid candidate until she does.

No, what you've done is said that her gaffe is reflective of her all the time. You looked at her momentary paralysis on a simple question and used that to say she can't answer complex ones all the while ignoring the complex answers to many policy issues she has given.

It isn't a realistic analysis. In fact, it's exactly as I said before: lazy and shallow.


When you can present a coherent message of hers which she can intelligently defend against questioning, let me know. Till then we have a failed governorship, a failed bid on a Presidential ticket, and a well documented inability to answer simple questions.

So then, no definable measurement of how we arrive at these conclusions. Just mindless regurgitation of "I like...totally dislike Palin and you totally should too, duh!"

But until then, you are pretty much relegated to the PDS crowd along with Truth Detector and other assorted basketcases.

I am far from insulted by you being mindless enough to make the same statements I made back at me. If you are supposed to be one of the examples of libertarian thinkers, no wonder they can't ever win an election. :lol:
 
Recorded speech and questioning, sure. Ok, so how much? How many questions? Over what length of time?

That's not a measure. It was a feeble attempt at portraying yourself as having one. But in the end, it fails.

No. All it comes down to is that you're desperately trying to dismiss a claim with no argument of your own. She did run for vice-president, and not only could she not say what the VP did, but during the course of the campaign and debates she never came out with anything substantial. There's no evidence that she had a coherent platform or could defend it against aggressive questioning. Do you have proof of the contrary? I mean, you keep implying that there is this wealth of information and if only I'd research I'd find it. But yet, there is no argument you've thus far constructed which has contained any of it.

If this were picking up on one gaffe and running with it, it would be one thing. But there's a long list of them, compared to what? What do you have demonstrating competence, solid platform, and the ability to coherently defend it?

I think you can't get over the fact that you have painted yourself into a corner and are about to get beat down with your own words. What's the measure, Ikari. Can you quantify it in any tangible way at all?

All ready have, several times. The fact that you don't want to address it and sidetrack along preconceived notions to fit your personal bias has stated much as to your own ability to defend against the allegations.

"Nuh-uh...I know you are but what am I? Huh?" :roll:

It's measured, in this thread in fact. I'm sorry that you don't want to accept it. But that's your inability to properly resolve issues between your personal bias and reality.

Or a total lack of creativity and ability to respond without resorting to childish mocking. What are you gonna do next? Start playing the "I'm not touching you" game? :lol:

Resorting to childish mocking...you mean like calling me a basketcase? If you're going to contradict yourself, try waiting more than 1 post to do so. You may be able to get away with it if you allow enough time in between contradictions.

No, what you've done is said that her gaffe is reflective of her all the time. You looked at her momentary paralysis on a simple question and used that to say she can't answer complex ones all the while ignoring the complex answers to many policy issues she has given.

No, not in the least. Again, your bias here. I've said that she has consistently demonstrated an ability to not be able to answer questions, simple questions, in such a way as it makes me question her overall ability to do any of it. You're trying to make it sound like I took one gaffe and said "Oh...look at how stupid she is". There isn't one, it's a string of consistent behavior.

It isn't a realistic analysis. In fact, it's exactly as I said before: lazy and shallow.

No need to be so harsh on yourself. I'm sure that if you could make it past your personal bias on the issue and take in all the information you can beat your lazy and shallow arguments.

So then, no definable measurement of how we arrive at these conclusions. Just mindless regurgitation of "I like...totally dislike Palin and you totally should too, duh!"

Already given to you. Just because you don't want to accept it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

I am far from insulted by you being mindless enough to make the same statements I made back at me. If you are supposed to be one of the examples of libertarian thinkers, no wonder they can't ever win an election. :lol:

Childish retorts eh? I thought you were bitching about those earlier. Oh well.

The libertarian party has many reason why they can't get recognized on a national scale, but that's neither here nor there.
 
12 thanks for a lame statement like that and whats funny we constantly get 12 conservatives trying to defend her:rofl

Paul

I'm not exactly sure I'm a conservative and I hardly ever defend Palin but the Captain does have a point. It's one thing to laugh at the village idiot when she screws up. It is another to follow the village idiot around just waiting for her to screw up.
 
No. All it comes down to is that you're desperately trying to dismiss a claim with no argument of your own. She did run for vice-president, and not only could she not say what the VP did, but during the course of the campaign and debates she never came out with anything substantial. There's no evidence that she had a coherent platform or could defend it against aggressive questioning. Do you have proof of the contrary? I mean, you keep implying that there is this wealth of information and if only I'd research I'd find it. But yet, there is no argument you've thus far constructed which has contained any of it.

If this were picking up on one gaffe and running with it, it would be one thing. But there's a long list of them, compared to what? What do you have demonstrating competence, solid platform, and the ability to coherently defend it?



All ready have, several times. The fact that you don't want to address it and sidetrack along preconceived notions to fit your personal bias has stated much as to your own ability to defend against the allegations.



It's measured, in this thread in fact. I'm sorry that you don't want to accept it. But that's your inability to properly resolve issues between your personal bias and reality.



Resorting to childish mocking...you mean like calling me a basketcase? If you're going to contradict yourself, try waiting more than 1 post to do so. You may be able to get away with it if you allow enough time in between contradictions.



No, not in the least. Again, your bias here. I've said that she has consistently demonstrated an ability to not be able to answer questions, simple questions, in such a way as it makes me question her overall ability to do any of it. You're trying to make it sound like I took one gaffe and said "Oh...look at how stupid she is". There isn't one, it's a string of consistent behavior.



No need to be so harsh on yourself. I'm sure that if you could make it past your personal bias on the issue and take in all the information you can beat your lazy and shallow arguments.



Already given to you. Just because you don't want to accept it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.



Childish retorts eh? I thought you were bitching about those earlier. Oh well.

The libertarian party has many reason why they can't get recognized on a national scale, but that's neither here nor there.

More of the same mindless drivel. I think at this point you are crossing over into trolling and nothing more.

I've given you every opportunity to present a reasonable argument and you've failed to even try.

There's nothing more here for me than frustration at how someone as smart as you can devolve to acting so stupid.
 
I like how you just whip out the insults but have never shown any proof to back your own claims. You keep asking me, I've given them. But anything pointed towards you is met with deflection and retreat. Que sera sera. If that's the extent of your "defense", I guess that's that.
 
I like how you just whip out the insults but have never shown any proof to back your own claims. You keep asking me, I've given them. But anything pointed towards you is met with deflection and retreat. Que sera sera. If that's the extent of your "defense", I guess that's that.

That's a blatant lie. I've given defense on numerous occasion in threads you took part in. You've even given nods of assent to those arguments.

You have no integrity at this point and have convinced me that your sole purpose in this thread is to troll like an angry brat without direction or meaning to your tantrum.

It's kind of fun to watch though in the same way that PogueMoran is amusing.

But it's also kind of sad to see someone I think of as intelligent behave in such an irrational and undignified way.

"Que sera sera."
 
That's a blatant lie. I've given defense on numerous occasion in threads you took part in. You've even given nods of assent to those arguments.

I've said I can understand your logic on why you like her. I still have a fundamental disagreement because I haven't seen anything that would suggest to me that she would be a great leader. Until I see that, I'm not going to consider her valid. And in fact, I think the GOP can do world's better.
 
I've said I can understand your logic on why you like her. I still have a fundamental disagreement because I haven't seen anything that would suggest to me that she would be a great leader. Until I see that, I'm not going to consider her valid. And in fact, I think the GOP can do world's better.

Meh. I think you are entitled to that opinion. I'd just like to see you use something close to reason and a rational mind to arrive at it though.
 
And this is relevant how? I swear I heard her talk about George Washington, so I don't get the thread title?

The lefties think in the world of the internet they can pull blarney like this.
It's called the Dan Rather School of Ethics; aka Dumb and Dumber School.

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