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Sarah Palin to Contribute to Fox News

Conservative said:
... the misinformation here is absolutely astounding. Clinton did inherit a rebounding economy and tried to destroy it
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How, by burdening us with a huge surplus? Gosh darn him! :doh
 
ADK_Forever said:
Aside from all Reagan's scandals (dealing with Iran twice, going behind Congress's back breaking laws and almost getting impeached, and sending Bush Sr. to Iran to hold their American hostages for another month until he was in office!) he was the only president to NOT raise the minimum wage.

Yeah, his actions did indeed have long lasting effects. None of them good.
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:rofl You should spend your time in the conspiracy forum... you'd fit right in there.....
 
ADK_Forever said:
How, by burdening us with a huge surplus? Gosh darn him! :doh
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Huge surplus? Why doesn't the U.S. Treasury Website show that huge surplus? Then how would you have paid for 9/11? Economics doesn't seem to be a strong suit for you.
 
Conservative said:
Yes, the first half of the Reagan term was not very pretty as I am sure then you remember the misery index. Reagan cut taxe rates over three years and that is what spirred the economic growth because people spending more of their own money always does that. I never prospered more than I did during the Reagan term. Clinton tried to reverse that and gave us the GOP Congress.

Now don't get me wrong, I prefer getting rid of all Republicans and Democrats and completely cleaning house, but the misinformation here is absolutely astounding. Clinton did inherit a rebounding economy and tried to destroy it
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Actually Reagan raised taxes on SS and raised other taxes too. He increased government spending which also bolstered the economy. I admit that Reagans second term was great but it did not last. Bush Sr paid the price of Reagans spending spree.

Do you deny that Bush Sr lost because the economy sucked? Clinton inherited a stagnant economy in recession. The only thing that made Clinton's rconomy a success was the technology bubble.
There is no misinformation. Everything I said is true and documented


"It’s conservative lore that Reagan the icon cut taxes, while George H.W. Bush the renegade raised them. As Stockman recalls, "No one was authorized to talk about tax increases on Ronald Reagan’s watch, no matter what kind of tax, no matter how justified it was." Yet raising taxes is exactly what Reagan did. He did not always instigate those hikes or agree to them willingly–but he signed off on them. One year after his massive tax cut, Reagan agreed to a tax increase to reduce the deficit that restored fully one-third of the previous year’s reduction. (In a bizarre bit of self-deception, Reagan, who never came to terms with this episode of ideological apostasy, persuaded himself that the three-year, $100 billion tax hike–the largest since World War II–was actually "tax reform" that closed loopholes in his earlier cut and therefore didn’t count as raising taxes.)

Faced with looming deficits, Reagan raised taxes again in 1983 with a gasoline tax and once more in 1984, this time by $50 billion over three years, mainly through closing tax loopholes for business. Despite the fact that such increases were anathema to conservatives–and probably cost Reagan’s successor, George H.W. Bush, reelection–Reagan raised taxes a grand total of four times just between 1982-84."
 
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Gill said:
:rofl You should spend your time in the conspiracy forum... you'd fit right in there.....
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If you think I stated something that is not factual, please do point it out. But, I would ask you to use facts to support your claim, not empty rhetoric as some here have a habit of doing. Thank you.
 
Z3n said:
Colbert's writers are going to have so much fun its not even funny. :2razz:

I'll never forget his one clip.

"Nation, many people think that Sarah Palin will run for 2012 on the GOP ticket. And a recent pole demonstrated her favorability"

*pans to a pie chart*

26% Sure
74% WHAT!!!?!?!?
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a treasure trove.
 
Dirty Harry said:
Yes, I am 56.
The first four years of Reagan were about as bad as Carter's. I worked for a wholesale finance company at the time and spent most my time repossesing and watching small businesses go belly up. Reagans second term was phenomenal. During that time I worked in the housing industry and the first housing boom led to a great economy. After Reagan left office, the economy tanked and in the first time in my life I was laid off, along with millions of other Americans. You see Reagan's boom was over and Bush Sr paid the price. We went into recession and unemployement exploded.
The economy was so bad that an idiot like Clinton beat Bush Sr. even after Bush's wonderful job with Desert Storm. That's the way it was. There was a recession under GHWB term.
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That's because the House was controlled by the Democrats while Reagan was in office - not until Reagan took his argument to the people time and time again was he able to get things moving in the right direction - Reagan's having to take it to the people is common knowledge.
 
Conservative said:
Huge surplus? Why doesn't the U.S. Treasury Website show that huge surplus? Then how would you have paid for 9/11? Economics doesn't seem to be a strong suit for you.
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Do you seriously think that Bush used a "surplus" to pay for his Wars of Choice? I'm still waiting to see your strong suit, aside from attacking people who don't agree with you.
 
Tom Jones said:
That's because the House was controlled by the Democrats while Reagan was in office - not until Reagan took his argument to the people time and time again was he able to get things moving in the right direction - Reagan's having to take it to the people is common knowledge.
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Reagan cut taxes?
The only problem with this analysis is that it is historically inaccurate. Reagan may have resisted calls for tax increases, but he ultimately supported them. In 1982 alone, he signed into law not one but two major tax increases. The Tax Equity and Fiscal Responsibility Act (TEFRA) raised taxes by $37.5 billion per year and the Highway Revenue Act raised the gasoline tax by another $3.3 billion.

According to a recent Treasury Department study, TEFRA alone raised taxes by almost 1 percent of the gross domestic product, making it the largest peacetime tax increase in American history. An increase of similar magnitude today would raise more than $100 billion per year.

In 1983, Reagan signed legislation raising the Social Security tax rate. This is a tax increase that lives with us still, since it initiated automatic increases in the taxable wage base. As a consequence, those with moderately high earnings see their payroll taxes rise every single year.

In 1984, Reagan signed another big tax increase in the Deficit Reduction Act. This raised taxes by $18 billion per year or 0.4 percent of GDP. A similar-sized tax increase today would be about $44 billion.

The Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1985 raised taxes yet again. Even the Tax Reform Act of 1986, which was designed to be revenue-neutral, contained a net tax increase in its first 2 years. And the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1987 raised taxes still more.

The year 1988 appears to be the only year of the Reagan presidency, other than the first, in which taxes were not raised legislatively. Of course, previous tax increases remained in effect. According to a table in the 1990 budget, the net effect of all these tax increases was to raise taxes by $164 billion in 1992, or 2.6 percent of GDP. This is equivalent to almost $300 billion in today's economy.


The truth is Reagan raised taxes.
His "getting America moving in the right direction" was extremely short lived and Bush Sr paid for reagans policies.
 
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Dirty Harry;1058487925]Actually Reagan raised taxes on SS and raised other taxes too. He increased government spending which also bolstered the economy. I admit that Reagans second term was great but it did not last. Bush Sr paid the price of Reagans spending spree.
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Yes, Reagan raised FICA taxes and I know you realize where those taxes go, the SS fund which comes back to the tax payers. Where do income tax increases go?

Bush Sr. raised taxes and that led to his defeat

Do you deny that Bush Sr lost because the economy sucked? Clinton inherited a stagnant economy in recession. The only thing that made Clinton's rconomy a success was the technology bubble.
There is no misinformation. Everything I said is true and documented
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No, that isn't factual. We had a recession during Bush 1 but that recession ended and in fact the GDP growth the last quarter of the Bush term was over 4%. You are providing misinformation and you can get the facts at BEA.gov


"It’s conservative lore that Reagan the icon cut taxes, while George H.W. Bush the renegade raised them. As Stockman recalls, "No one was authorized to talk about tax increases on Ronald Reagan’s watch, no matter what kind of tax, no matter how justified it was." Yet raising taxes is exactly what Reagan did. He did not always instigate those hikes or agree to them willingly–but he signed off on them. One year after his massive tax cut, Reagan agreed to a tax increase to reduce the deficit that restored fully one-third of the previous year’s reduction. (In a bizarre bit of self-deception, Reagan, who never came to terms with this episode of ideological apostasy, persuaded himself that the three-year, $100 billion tax hike–the largest since World War II–was actually "tax reform" that closed loopholes in his earlier cut and therefore didn’t count as raising taxes.)
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the economic results speak for themselves and so do the American people and historians in their support for Reagan.

Faced with looming deficits, Reagan raised taxes again in 1983 with a gasoline tax and once more in 1984, this time by $50 billion over three years, mainly through closing tax loopholes for business. Despite the fact that such increases were anathema to conservatives–and probably cost Reagan’s successor, George H.W. Bush, reelection–Reagan raised taxes a grand total of four times just between 1982-84
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GHWB Was no Ronald Reagan but was a better alternative to Clinton. The tax increases Reagan implemented were for as stated, FICA which is SS and excise taxes that non drivers didn't pay. I support a consumption tax and always have vs. a progressive income tax.
 
Conservative said:
Yes, Reagan raised FICA taxes and I know you realize where those taxes go, the SS fund which comes back to the tax payers. Where do income tax increases go?

Bush Sr. raised taxes and that led to his defeat



No, that isn't factual. We had a recession during Bush 1 but that recession ended and in fact the GDP growth the last quarter of the Bush term was over 4%. You are providing misinformation and you can get the facts at BEA.gov




the economic results speak for themselves and so do the American people and historians in their support for Reagan.



GHWB Was no Ronald Reagan but was a better alternative to Clinton. The tax increases Reagan implemented were for as stated, FICA which is SS and excise taxes that non drivers didn't pay. I support a consumption tax and always have vs. a progressive income tax.
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So you admit Reagan actually raised taxes and Bush Sr had a major recession during his term. That is the point I was trying to make.

[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_1980s_recession]Early 1980s recession - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

The Early 1980s recession was a severe recession in the United States which began in December of 1980 and ended in November 1982.

The truth is I voted for Reagan over Carter and Bush Sr over Clinton.
 
Dirty Harry said:
So you admit Reagan actually raised taxes and Bush Sr had a major recession during his term. That is the point I was trying to make.

Early 1980s recession - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Early 1980s recession was a severe recession in the United States which began in December of 1980 and ended in November 1982.

The truth is I voted for Reagan over Carter and Bush Sr over Clinton.
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Reagan and Carter converted me from being a Democrat. I have the same voting record as you.
 
Dirty Harry said:
Reagan cut taxes?
The only problem with this analysis is that it is historically inaccurate. Reagan may have resisted calls for tax increases, but he ultimately supported them. In 1982 alone, he signed into law not one but two major tax increases. The Tax Equity and Fiscal Responsibility Act (TEFRA) raised taxes by $37.5 billion per year and the Highway Revenue Act raised the gasoline tax by another $3.3 billion.

According to a recent Treasury Department study, TEFRA alone raised taxes by almost 1 percent of the gross domestic product, making it the largest peacetime tax increase in American history. An increase of similar magnitude today would raise more than $100 billion per year.

In 1983, Reagan signed legislation raising the Social Security tax rate. This is a tax increase that lives with us still, since it initiated automatic increases in the taxable wage base. As a consequence, those with moderately high earnings see their payroll taxes rise every single year.

In 1984, Reagan signed another big tax increase in the Deficit Reduction Act. This raised taxes by $18 billion per year or 0.4 percent of GDP. A similar-sized tax increase today would be about $44 billion.

The Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1985 raised taxes yet again. Even the Tax Reform Act of 1986, which was designed to be revenue-neutral, contained a net tax increase in its first 2 years. And the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1987 raised taxes still more.

The year 1988 appears to be the only year of the Reagan presidency, other than the first, in which taxes were not raised legislatively. Of course, previous tax increases remained in effect. According to a table in the 1990 budget, the net effect of all these tax increases was to raise taxes by $164 billion in 1992, or 2.6 percent of GDP. This is equivalent to almost $300 billion in today's economy.


The truth is Reagan raised taxes.
His "getting America moving in the right direction" was extremely short lived and Bush Sr paid for reagans policies.
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LOL - I wrote the following and you quoted it:

"Originally Posted by Tom Jones
That's because the House was controlled by the Democrats while Reagan was in office - not until Reagan took his argument to the people time and time again was he able to get things moving in the right direction - Reagan's having to take it to the people is common knowledge."

Tell me, please - where does it say that I said anything about Reagan cutting taxes - you're confused.
 
Conservative said:
Reagan and Carter converted me from being a Democrat. I have the same voting record as you.
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Reagan and Bush 41 converted me from my family's roots of being Republican.
 
ADK_Forever said:
If you think I stated something that is not factual, please do point it out. But, I would ask you to use facts to support your claim, not empty rhetoric as some here have a habit of doing. Thank you.
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You're the one spewing out absurd conspiracy theories with no support of your wacky claims. It's up to you to put up or shut up.

And please, no nutjob truther conspiracy websites.
 
Conservative said:
Reagan and Carter converted me from being a Democrat. I have the same voting record as you.
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I have never been democrat or republican I always vote for the person I believe will do the best job. There really has not been much to chose from lately.
 
winston53660 said:
Reagan and Bush 41 converted me from my family's roots of being Republican.
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Looks to me like you have a problem with personal responsibility as well as an understanding as to the actual role of the Federal Govt.
 
zimmer said:
Add me.
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BTW, you misspelled a word.... fixed it for you. :mrgreen:
Bush wasn't my favorite on some domestic issues.
But when it came to National Security, there was no question it was Job #1.
When he ran for office he was honest about who he was and what his goals were.
Quite the contrast to the last 4 Democrat pricks; Clinton, Gore, Kerry and Obama.

Bush couldn't help the fact Libs are so sickeningly shallow they would send troops to war and then stick a bayonet in their backs when they needed their support the most.

What type of leadership uses a war vote for political gain?
Then turns on them for political gain?
The Democrat scum.

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Conservative said:
Looks to me like you have a problem with personal responsibility
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Huh? That was from left and had nothing to do with what I said.

as well as an understanding as to the actual role of the Federal Govt.
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Like your subjective opinion does? LOL
 
winston53660 said:
Huh? That was from left and had nothing to do with what I said.




Like your subjective opinion does? LOL
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Did you ever take a civics course and read the Constitution? What is the role of the Federal Govt? Ronald Reagan knew what that role was and promoted the General Welfare through tax cuts and allowing people to keep more of their money. Obama believes it is the role of govt. to PROVIDE for General Welfare by growing the size of govt. Do you understand the difference?
 
Gill said:
You're the one spewing out absurd conspiracy theories with no support of your wacky claims. It's up to you to put up or shut up.
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It doesn't take much to prove he lied. Those vids provide sufficient proof.
Ball's in your court. But, you probably won't take Bush's own words to prove he lied. :doh
 
Dirty Harry said:
I have never been democrat or republican I always vote for the person I believe will do the best job. There really has not been much to chose from lately.
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I have been a Conservative for most of my life and always voted for the most conservative and thus better alternative. The Democrat Party left me instead of vice versa and I more associate myself with the Republican Party although the Republican Party lost its way when in Control of Congress but they sure beat the alternative of Reid and Pelosi
 
Conservative said:
Did you ever take a civics course and read the Constitution? What is the role of the Federal Govt? Ronald Reagan knew what that role was and promoted the General Welfare through tax cuts and allowing people to keep more of their money. Obama believes it is the role of govt. to PROVIDE for General Welfare by growing the size of govt. Do you understand the difference?
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You do know reagan increased the size of the government unless you think dod isnt the government. He promoted it so well that the average worker wages dropped and income disparity grew
 
Conservative said:
Did you ever take a civics course and read the Constitution? What is the role of the Federal Govt?
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No I never attended grade school, high school or college. I was raised by a pack of wolves and the pack taught me all I needed to know :roll:
 
PogueMoran said:
You do know reagan increased the size of the government unless you think dod isnt the government. He promoted it so well that the average worker wages dropped and income disparity grew
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Who was that professor that brainwashed you? He is an embarrassment to the education system. It is the role of the Federal Govt to PROTECT this country thus the DoD, not promote the Defense but provide for that defense. The Reagan economy destroyed the Soviet Union and led to sustained economic growth, revenue generation, and prosperity for the American people. You are were a basic child during his terms yet seem to believe you are an expert on Reagan. Hardly
 
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