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    Re: Sarah Palin to Contribute to Fox News

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    I still recall Osama being at large, and both wars under Bush being failures.
    Are you "This war is lost" Harry Reid?

    Obama is at large, and those wars? Nobody talks about Iraq since Obi came to office, so Bush beat the record for taking down a terror laden region, and Afghanistan has ramped up as Obi stated his desire to focus there.

    One bit Libs never want to discuss is the bright idea to concentrate the battle in Iraq... to draw the nuts and defeat them there while eliminating a real threat... Saddam... both of which we accomplished. Instead Libs piss on the troops, giving comfort to our enemies. Good job.

    Look, your mind is a steel trap and no logic or facts are going to seep into it.
    At least your brain will remain dry.

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    Re: Sarah Palin to Contribute to Fox News

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Are you "This war is lost" Harry Reid?

    Obama is at large, and those wars? Nobody talks about Iraq since Obi came to office, so Bush beat the record for taking down a terror laden region, and Afghanistan has ramped up as Obi stated his desire to focus there.

    One bit Libs never want to discuss is the bright idea to concentrate the battle in Iraq... to draw the nuts and defeat them there while eliminating a real threat... Saddam... both of which we accomplished. Instead Libs piss on the troops, giving comfort to our enemies. Good job.

    Look, your mind is a steel trap and no logic or facts are going to seep into it.
    At least your brain will remain dry.

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    It would be hillarious if you could at least posit civil and coherent ad homs...

    Look. I support the troops. I'm saying that Iraq was absolutely a mistake and "we removed a cruel despot" isn't going to cut it. I know most of the infrastructure in Iraq is merely paving roads to natural resources, namely oil. Iraq has no purpose whatsoever, I never supported it, and was an open opposition member in 2003. No one can change my mind to "Iraq is a worthy war".
    Al-Qaeda in Iraq is merely a facade to describe whatever the people the U.S. wants to target.

    Afghanistan is fine, but targeting civilians is something I have a serious problem with. The "war on terror" is a moronic concept, namely because "terrorism" has so many defintion is basically means war on opposition anything the establishment wants to do. Where's big brother now?

    What I do support is a war on Al-Qaeda. Always have, always will. the WMDs(tm) in Iraq don't exist, and international support for Iraq was 10% in 2003, i doubt it's much higher.

    Also, I'm a community servant and I donate portions of my time and money to the troops as well as community organizations.

    So, whose got the small steel trap mind? I don't process information through a "USA USA USA" lens, so I tend to have more vocal opposition to some foreign policy that the U.S. conducts.

    By the way, I said Osama is at large, not Obama.
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    Re: Sarah Palin to Contribute to Fox News

    Quote Originally Posted by Z3n View Post
    They actually had Osama pinned in the Tora Bora and Bush decided to reallocate resources to Iraq because of those ever so elusive WMD's
    This is exactly the kind of misinformation that led to the Bush Derangement syndrome that continues to infect people today. Iraq did not occur until over a year later after Afghanistan. No resources were moved to attack Iraq.

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    Re: Sarah Palin to Contribute to Fox News

    Quote Originally Posted by Z3n View Post
    It would be hillarious if you could at least posit civil and coherent ad homs...

    Look. I support the troops. I'm saying that Iraq was absolutely a mistake and "we removed a cruel despot" isn't going to cut it. I know most of the infrastructure in Iraq is merely paving roads to natural resources, namely oil. Iraq has no purpose whatsoever, I never supported it, and was an open opposition member in 2003. No one can change my mind to "Iraq is a worthy war".
    Al-Qaeda in Iraq is merely a facade to describe whatever the people the U.S. wants to target.

    Afghanistan is fine, but targeting civilians is something I have a serious problem with. The "war on terror" is a moronic concept, namely because "terrorism" has so many defintion is basically means war on opposition anything the establishment wants to do. Where's big brother now?

    What I do support is a war on Al-Qaeda. Always have, always will. the WMDs(tm) in Iraq don't exist, and international support for Iraq was 10% in 2003, i doubt it's much higher.

    Also, I'm a community servant and I donate portions of my time and money to the troops as well as community organizations.

    So, whose got the small steel trap mind? I don't process information through a "USA USA USA" lens, so I tend to have more vocal opposition to some foreign policy that the U.S. conducts.

    By the way, I said Osama is at large, not Obama.
    No, Obama is at large, not Osama who may already be dead. Been paying any attention lately, Obama is launching missiles into small towns and cities in Pakistan, think any civilians are getting killed there?

    Obama kept the Bush Secretary of Defense and the Bush policy in Iraq as well as Afghanistan so hardly a change.

    As for the facts regarding Afghanistan, read the Book American Soldier by Tommy Franks then get back to us.

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    Re: Sarah Palin to Contribute to Fox News

    This seems like the perfect gig for Sarah Palin. She should fit right in at Fox News.
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    Re: Sarah Palin to Contribute to Fox News

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    No, Obama is at large, not Osama who may already be dead. Been paying any attention lately, Obama is launching missiles into small towns and cities in Pakistan, think any civilians are getting killed there?

    Obama kept the Bush Secretary of Defense and the Bush policy in Iraq as well as Afghanistan so hardly a change.

    As for the facts regarding Afghanistan, read the Book American Soldier by Tommy Franks then get back to us.
    I'm not going to read what is most likely a very partisan book. I've read, from multiple accounts, the political history of afghanistan, and to state that I have no knowledge or I need to read a book when I know almost everything there is to know about Afghani history is ill-founded
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    Re: Sarah Palin to Contribute to Fox News

    Quote Originally Posted by Z3n View Post
    I'm not going to read what is most likely a very partisan book. I've read, from multiple accounts, the political history of afghanistan, and to state that I have no knowledge or I need to read a book when I know almost everything there is to know about Afghani history is ill-founded
    Now why would anyone read a book by the commander of U.S. Forces on the ground in Afghanistan? Hmmm, maybe to get first hand knowledge of what happened? Naw, that doesn't make any sense for it would destroy the personal opinions and ideology that has been fed to you by absolute loons.

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    Re: Sarah Palin to Contribute to Fox News

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    This is exactly the kind of misinformation that led to the Bush Derangement syndrome that continues to infect people today. Iraq did not occur until over a year later after Afghanistan. No resources were moved to attack Iraq.
    Given that you have no knowledge of, nor interest in, the facts about Mr. Bush's happy little wars, I'd say you're the one suffering from Bush Derangement Syndrome.


    Afghanistan Has Long Been Neglected By The Bush Administration

    The Bush administration’s failure to commit ground troops in Tora Bora enabled bin Laden to escape and develop a terrorist enclave in Pakistan. "The Bush administration has concluded that Osama bin Laden was present during the battle for Tora Bora... and that failure to commit U.S. ground troops to hunt him was its gravest error in the war against al-Qaeda.” [Washington Post, 4/17/02]

    Iraq has consistently diverted attention from the greatest danger in Afghanistan and Pakistan. While the war in Iraq has received $608 billion over the past five years, Afghanistan has received just $140 billion over the past seven. On average Iraq receives over $120 billion per year, while Afghanistan receives just $20 billion. [NY Times, 6/30/08. CRS, 2/08/08]

    Iraq distracted the U.S. and siphoned off resources from rebuilding Afghanistan. While Iraq has received a total of $34.2 billion in reconstruction funding over five years, Afghanistan by comparison has received just $11.5 billion over the more than seven years that U.S. forces have been on the ground and just $1.1 billion for 2008. [CRS, 02/08]

    Shifts from bin Laden hunt evoke questions

    WASHINGTON — In 2002, troops from the 5th Special Forces Group who specialize in the Middle East were pulled out of the hunt for Osama bin Laden in Afghanistan to prepare for their next assignment: Iraq. Their replacements were troops with expertise in Spanish cultures.

    The CIA, meanwhile, was stretched badly in its capacity to collect, translate and analyze information coming from Afghanistan. When the White House raised a new priority, it took specialists away from the Afghanistan effort to ensure Iraq was covered.

    Did opening a second front hurt the main effort to defeat terrorism?

    Bob Andrews, former head of a Pentagon office that oversaw special operations, says that removing Saddam Hussein was a good idea but "a distraction." The war in Iraq, Andrews notes, entailed the largest deployment of special operations forces — about 10,000 —since the Vietnam War. That's about 25% of all U.S. commandos.

    It also siphoned spy aircraft and light infantry soldiers. Iraq proved such a drain, one former Pentagon official notes, that there were no AWACS radar jets to track drug-trafficking aircraft in South America.

    Saddam was not an immediate threat. "This has been a real diversion from the longer struggle against jihadists," especially in the intelligence field, he says.

    Stan Florer, a retired Army colonel and former Green Beret, agrees that Iraq diverted enormous military and intelligence assets.

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    Re: Sarah Palin to Contribute to Fox News

    Should Afghanistan be won or not?

    If your answer is no, and we should pull out, then what difference does it make if resources were diverted (if they were)? And no, blaming Bush for leaving a "big mess" doesn't hold water -- the principle is still the same. If it ever needed to be won, then it still does, and if doesn't now, it never did.

    If your answer is yes, then where's the hue and cry for Obama's own diverted attention? He gave every appearance of being dragged kicking and screaming to a decision on the matter while the clock ticked. And those were very crucial months.
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    Re: Sarah Palin to Contribute to Fox News

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    Given that you have no knowledge of, nor interest in, the facts about Mr. Bush's happy little wars, I'd say you're the one suffering from Bush Derangement Syndrome.
    Let's face it, nothing that GW Bush did or does is ever going to make you support him. A Closed mind is a terrible thing to have. Had Bush gone fully into Afghanistan to win you would have complained about the loss of civilian life. He did was was politically correct and the fact is he went into Iraq with the same attitude, to protect civilian life.

    He cannot win with you so why should anyone try to convince you he wasn't as bad as you believe?

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