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Fears that World Cup could increase spread of HIV

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CNN) -- Advocates for sex workers in South Africa have warned that this summer's World Cup could be a public health disaster.

With up to half a million football fans expected to visit South Africa for the World Cup, and up to half of South Africa's prostitutes carrying the HIV virus, there have been calls for the country to decriminalize prostitution to help tackle the spread of HIV.

Eric Harper, director of the Cape Town-based Sex Worker Education and Advocacy Taskforce (SWEAT), told CNN that the World Cup would inevitably lead to a demand for sex workers.

"And where there's demand there will be a supply," Harper told CNN. "It could be a potential recipe for disaster both for the clients and the sex workers," he added.
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Fears that World Cup could increase spread of HIV - CNN.com


What better way to weed out idiots than this? You think I'm being a jerk with this, but think about it. The HIV rate among the paid ladies is around 50%. So if you're DUMB enough to pay for their services... you get what you deserve.
 
MrVicchio said:
What better way to weed out idiots than this? You think I'm being a jerk with this, but think about it. The HIV rate among the paid ladies is around 50%. So if you're DUMB enough to pay for their services... you get what you deserve.
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So your for legalizing prostitution now? Hear I though you were for victimless crimes.
 
MrVicchio said:
Fears that World Cup could increase spread of HIV - CNN.com


What better way to weed out idiots than this? You think I'm being a jerk with this, but think about it. The HIV rate among the paid ladies is around 50%. So if you're DUMB enough to pay for their services... you get what you deserve.
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...except the people who get the disease from prostitutes probably aren't the kind of people who are just going to sit at home until they die. They're more likely to spread it to OTHER people.
 
With a half million fans, let's assume that 5% patronize prostitutes - 25,000. Assume that 50% are smart and use condoms. Since the odds of contracting HIV from unprotected sex with an infected female are 1 in 2000, that means there should be about six people who contract HIV thanks to the World Cup. Roughly.
 
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RightinNYC said:
With a half million fans, let's assume that 5% patronize prostitutes - 25,000. Assume that 50% are smart and use condoms. Since, the odds of contracting HIV from unprotected sex with an infected female is 1 in 2000, that means there should be about six people who contract HIV thanks to the World Cup. Roughly.
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your being anal again:)
 
RightinNYC said:
With a half million fans, let's assume that 5% patronize prostitutes - 25,000. Assume that 50% are smart and use condoms. Since, the odds of contracting HIV from unprotected sex with an infected female is 1 in 2000, that means there should be about six people who contract HIV thanks to the World Cup. Roughly.
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Amazing how assumptions tend to work out JUST right for you.
 
Kandahar said:
...except the people who get the disease from prostitutes probably aren't the kind of people who are just going to sit at home until they die. They're more likely to spread it to OTHER people.
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Oh, so that means what?
 
chevydriver1123 said:
So your for legalizing prostitution now? Hear I though you were for victimless crimes.
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Hear? Really?


I'm for banning it all together. Why is it you people think the answer to wrong/immoral/dangerous and DUMB behavior is to legalize it?

That boggles the mind to be frankly honest.
 
MrVicchio said:
Amazing how assumptions tend to work out JUST right for you.
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What's "right" for me? Do you have any idea, or are you just unhappy that I pissed on your "yay the immoral are getting AIDS!" parade?

If you don't like it, you can come up with your own numbers.
 
I find the underlying context of the story revealing, and something that most people don't think about: world-class events attract sex trafficking. All of the pimps and dealers will be moving their women there, you can bet on it, and there will be children in the mix as well.

I agree that prostitution should be legalized, but the pimps and dealers of these women should remain criminalized. The women and children are being moved around in a well-oiled underground and have mostly been entrapped. A lot of them have HIV in the first place because their buyers demanded to have unprotected sex.

If the buyers get HIV then they deserve it. The buyers themselves and the traffickers are all a plague on this earth.
 
RightinNYC said:
With a half million fans, let's assume that 5% patronize prostitutes - 25,000. Assume that 50% are smart and use condoms. Since, the odds of contracting HIV from unprotected sex with an infected female is 1 in 2000, that means there should be about six people who contract HIV thanks to the World Cup. Roughly.
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I really doubt it's as simple as that, but statistics are comforting, aren't they.

Factor in other communicable diseases and it's still a health risk.

I find it ironic that the welfare of the women involved is not mentioned at all, just the disease rates. How sickening.
 
MrVicchio said:
Fears that World Cup could increase spread of HIV - CNN.com


What better way to weed out idiots than this? You think I'm being a jerk with this, but think about it. The HIV rate among the paid ladies is around 50%. So if you're DUMB enough to pay for their services... you get what you deserve.
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Problem is when they spread it around to their insignificant others.

I wonder how many serious crimes will occur.
Anyone with experience or acquaintances in or of SA, wonder why this place was given the World Cup.

With a half million fans, let's assume that 5% patronize prostitutes - 25,000. Assume that 50% are smart and use condoms. Since, the odds of contracting HIV from unprotected sex with an infected female is 1 in 2000, that means there should be about six people who contract HIV thanks to the World Cup. Roughly.
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Sorry, this would be absolutely hilarious... except for the seriousness of it.
Are you also part of writing the Democrats healthcare plan?

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zimmer said:
Anyone with experience or acquaintances in or of SA, wonder why this place was given the World Cup.

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Because it's ready for it? SA has developed a lot in the past 10 years. It deserves the recognition and respect of holding the world cup games.

If your sole criterion for SA not getting the games is that they have prostitution, well all I can say is that anywhere the games go the sex traffickers will just follow.
 
Orius said:
Because it's ready for it? SA has developed a lot in the past 10 years. It deserves the recognition and respect of holding the world cup games.

If your sole criterion for SA not getting the games is that they have prostitution, well all I can say is that anywhere the games go the sex traffickers will just follow.
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Infrastructure isn't what I'm talking about.

It's a very dangerous place.
I know many people from there.
They know what's up, how when and where to travel.
Those that don't... will be targets.
I won't go there because of the high crime rate. Just isn't worth it.

From 2002, but still relevant:
South Africa is the most dangerous country in the world, which is not at war.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/talking_point/1924251.stm


CRIME: Although the vast majority of visitors complete their travels in South Africa without incident, visitors should be aware that criminal activity, often violent, occurs routinely. Notwithstanding government anti-crime efforts, violent crimes such as armed robbery, carjacking, mugging, "smash and grab" attacks on vehicles, and other incidents are regularly reported by visitors and resident Americans.

Crimes against property, such as carjacking, have often been accompanied by violent acts, including murder, when victims resist or are slow to respond to attackers’ demands. South Africa also has the highest incidence of reported rape in the world.

http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1008.html
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zimmer said:
Infrastructure isn't what I'm talking about.

It's a very dangerous place.
I know many people from there.
They know what's up, how when and where to travel.
Those that don't... will be targets.
I won't go there because of the high crime rate. Just isn't worth it.

From 2002, but still relevant:

BBC News | TALKING POINT | Have you experienced crime in South Africa?
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There are good and bad areas like anywhere else. I've been to some of the "most dangerous" places on earth and had a perfectly okay time. Statistics don't mean that I am going to get into trouble for sure.
 
MrVicchio said:
Oh, so that means what?
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It means that a "**** them, they deserve to die for being stupid" attitude isn't really valid, as they can and will spread the disease to others.
 
Orius said:
There are good and bad areas like anywhere else. I've been to some of the "most dangerous" places on earth and had a perfectly okay time. Statistics don't mean that I am going to get into trouble for sure.
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True, but I wouldn't hold the World Cup in the most dangerous place on earth without a war.

Statistics mean people will be at risk.
I think I made my case; knowing people that have lived there or live there.

I don't think Rio would be wise for the Olympics for the same reason.

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What they are holding the world Cup in Liberty city Miami:shock:

Those England supporting Millwall fans will feel at home though
 
i wonder if condom companies realise they could make a fortune off this?
 
Orius said:
Because it's ready for it? SA has developed a lot in the past 10 years. It deserves the recognition and respect of holding the world cup games.

If your sole criterion for SA not getting the games is that they have prostitution, well all I can say is that anywhere the games go the sex traffickers will just follow.
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Maybe SA has developed much in the past ten years but are you forgetting about their policy on the minority group. In the past 10 years many of the white south africans have left the country because the government is racist against them. And still continues to be.

I've known several white south africans working in Europe that have told me the things that happen there. It simply isn't worth having the world cup there.
 
MrVicchio said:
Hear? Really?


I'm for banning it all together. Why is it you people think the answer to wrong/immoral/dangerous and DUMB behavior is to legalize it?

That boggles the mind to be frankly honest.
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Whats wrong/immoral to you might not be for me. And what you may find safe/moral I most likely won't. See I have a problem with people who believe that they have the RIGHT to tell me how to live my life. But yet when you tell them the way to live theirs, they are all like "DON'T TELL ME HOW TO LIVE ITS MY LIFE SO MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS!".

There are things that are inherently wrong like murder. We have comed a far way that the majority of people are not ok with killing someone anymore. And that is a good thing. But have we comed far enough to have prostitution totally illegal? No. Why not? Because people want and desire sex much more than killing.

And its not dumb because you say it is. I think its dumb to have so many conservatives in one country but still there are many. And I think its dumb to have so many people waving the flag to politicians that promise freedom but they go ahead and write laws that limit all of our freedom.

Why? Because there are people like you who don't want to live a life where you don't boss others around. You believe that the "greatest freedom is the freedom to oppress others". But that is not freedom that is tyranny. So really you hide behind words like "immoral, dumb, dangerous, wrong" to hide the fact that you really are a tyrant.
 
RightinNYC said:
What's "right" for me? Do you have any idea, or are you just unhappy that I pissed on your "yay the immoral are getting AIDS!" parade?

If you don't like it, you can come up with your own numbers.
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Do you think that was the point? Or is it such a "mean" thought, that you felt you needed to show how small the problem really was? Of course, your rosey numbers merely show ignorance, if the threat was so small... why is there an article? If HIV infection is so weak, why is it a problem?


The point I was trying to make, and the one you missed in your righteous indignation... is very simple. HIV is easily avoidable, don't sleep with high risk people. The Paid Ladies in South Africa have a known 50% infection rate.

Only an IDIOT would risk it.

That's common sense, but no... that's too mean for the likes of you. No no, you think this was a hate thread from a judgmental Bible thumper. So you came in to show not all "conservative minded people" are so hateful. I'm well aware of your gig RightinNYC.

Oh and your statistic, assumed that every condom worn would be worn perfectly. You know damned well condoms aren't worn properly.

"The tendency to assume that consistent condom users are using condoms correctly seriously underestimates their risk of transmitting or contracting STDs or becoming pregnant unintentionally," they note.

In their study the researchers looked at more than 1,100 men and women treated at a public STD clinic in the Southeast. All of them reported using a condom in the past 30 days.

The researchers found that more than 15% of the patients tested positive for one or both of the two most common sexually transmitted diseases treated at the clinic--gonorrhea and chlamydia. One in four of the participants admitted to improperly using a condom in the past month.

The women studied at the clinic were more likely than men to report what the researchers term "improper condom-donning techniques."

"The importance of proper condom use seems obvious, yet the results from this study demonstrate that it must be taught to even sexually experienced adults and that the lack of correct use can be linked to infection," the research team led by Diane Grimley writes in the July/August issue of the American Journal of Health Behavior.
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Product misuse shows a need for education | Chain Drug Review | Find Articles at BNET

One of the big reasons I really bristle at the whole "Just wear a condom" routine.
 
Orius said:
I find the underlying context of the story revealing, and something that most people don't think about: world-class events attract sex trafficking. All of the pimps and dealers will be moving their women there, you can bet on it, and there will be children in the mix as well.

I agree that prostitution should be legalized, but the pimps and dealers of these women should remain criminalized. The women and children are being moved around in a well-oiled underground and have mostly been entrapped. A lot of them have HIV in the first place because their buyers demanded to have unprotected sex.

If the buyers get HIV then they deserve it. The buyers themselves and the traffickers are all a plague on this earth.
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I agree that prostitution should be legalized, but pimping/pandering should remain criminalized.

Can't get behind "the buyers deserve what they get". Many of these men are married, and almost certainly have unprotected sex with their wives.
 
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