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    Re: GOP says Schultz's testing waters on air; Schultz says he's not running

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    i do.....a lot of smoke, it seems to me.
    It would help if you explained how you think they got it wrong, because they went into some detail. But that's up to you.
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    Re: GOP says Schultz's testing waters on air; Schultz says he's not running

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    It would help if you explained how you think they got it wrong, because they went into some detail. But that's up to you.
    okay, first of all, i don't see where his words "promoted his candidacy", as claimed in the letter. merely having a discussion about somehting he was asked to consider doesn't seem to be a violation.

    he's said he's flattered, honored and intrigued, and spoke of future professional opportunities, although the letter does not provide any context to that statement.

    i fail to see how this promoted his candidacy, as he doesn't have a candidacy. they can't even begin to prove that he is soliciting feedback, nor has he solicited contributions.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: GOP says Schultz's testing waters on air; Schultz says he's not running

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    okay, first of all, i don't see where his words "promoted his candidacy", as claimed in the letter. merely having a discussion about somehting he was asked to consider doesn't seem to be a violation.

    he's said he's flattered, honored and intrigued, and spoke of future professional opportunities, although the letter does not provide any context to that statement.
    If what was said in the letter is accurate, he spent a length of time talking about that particular future opportunity.


    i fail to see how this promoted his candidacy, as he doesn't have a candidacy.
    No one said he did, only that he was raising the possibility of it, which is what any potential candidate does before they actually declare. The argument isn't that he has a candidacy, but that he was exploring the idea, an activity for which there are regulations.

    Thus, arguendo, he was using the facilities and air time MSNBC provides to engage exploratory activity, which, as Schultz didn't pay for it, is an in-kind contribution.


    they can't even begin to prove that he is soliciting feedback
    He solicits feedback on his show and what he says as a matter of course (all the talking-head screamers do); his potential candidacy was a topic of his show.

    And according to MSNBC, through the operations of MSNBC, he indeed got a lot of feedback, which is the other part of what they're calling the in-kind contribution.


    nor has he solicited contributions.
    Doesn't have to solicit for them in order to have received them.


    Now, I probably have to announce unequivocally again then I find the entire system of regulation of this kind of thing repugnant to the First Amendment, so I don't personally care what Schultz says or does or if MSNBC helps, because I think it should be legal for them to do so.

    Nonetheless, the regulations do exist, and it's arguable they were violated.
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    Re: GOP says Schultz's testing waters on air; Schultz says he's not running

    The GOP can say all they want but the fact is Schultz can't run he's not eligible. He hasn't lived in North Dakota for the last 5 years as stipulated under state law. He's claimed residency in Minnesota for the past two years. Non-story.

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    Re: GOP says Schultz's testing waters on air; Schultz says he's not running

    Quote Originally Posted by nojingolingo View Post
    great, so all we have to do to get any commentator/pundit/wonk/conman (or pick your own epithet) off the air is to proffer them as a political candidate? Sweet, i think glenn beck and sean hannity would make great congressmen...
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    Re: GOP says Schultz's testing waters on air; Schultz says he's not running

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    The GOP can say all they want but the fact is Schultz can't run he's not eligible. He hasn't lived in North Dakota for the last 5 years as stipulated under state law. He's claimed residency in Minnesota for the past two years. Non-story.
    His eligibility isn't the issue raised.
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    Re: GOP says Schultz's testing waters on air; Schultz says he's not running

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    If what was said in the letter is accurate, he spent a length of time talking about that particular future opportunity.




    No one said he did, only that he was raising the possibility of it, which is what any potential candidate does before they actually declare. The argument isn't that he has a candidacy, but that he was exploring the idea, an activity for which there are regulations.

    Thus, arguendo, he was using the facilities and air time MSNBC provides to engage exploratory activity, which, as Schultz didn't pay for it, is an in-kind contribution.




    He solicits feedback on his show and what he says as a matter of course (all the talking-head screamers do); his potential candidacy was a topic of his show.

    And according to MSNBC, through the operations of MSNBC, he indeed got a lot of feedback, which is the other part of what they're calling the in-kind contribution.




    Doesn't have to solicit for them in order to have received them.


    Now, I probably have to announce unequivocally again then I find the entire system of regulation of this kind of thing repugnant to the First Amendment, so I don't personally care what Schultz says or does or if MSNBC helps, because I think it should be legal for them to do so.

    Nonetheless, the regulations do exist, and it's arguable they were violated.
    i guess we'll have to see. discussing a possible candidacy and exploring a possible candidacy can be 2 separate activities. he did not raise the possiblilty of a candidacy, someone else did.

    i highly doubt he has retained any contributions he might have received, that's probably a moot point.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: GOP says Schultz's testing waters on air; Schultz says he's not running

    I guess we should discuss Palin running for political office now in the same context as Schultz eh?

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    Re: GOP says Schultz's testing waters on air; Schultz says he's not running

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    I guess we should discuss Palin running for political office now in the same context as Schultz eh?
    If she's done the same thing, sure.
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    Re: GOP says Schultz's testing waters on air; Schultz says he's not running

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    i guess we'll have to see. discussing a possible candidacy and exploring a possible candidacy can be 2 separate activities. he did not raise the possiblilty of a candidacy, someone else did.
    Doesn't matter if he explored it after the possibility was raised.

    i highly doubt he has retained any contributions he might have received, that's probably a moot point.
    You seem to think the "contributions" are about money. That isn't the case.
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