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    Re: The C-SPAN Lie? See Eight Clips of Obama Promising Televised Healthcare Negotiati

    The funny thing about it is...YOU KNOW you are the wrong side when CSPAN is calling out Obama. Either CSPAN is part of the grand right-wing conspiracy that lies all the time, or Obama(AND Pelosi Co. since she had to insert her nose in this) is a liar. The first will make any liberal look absurdly ridiculous and undermine what they have been saying about any type of news that they disagree with, the second is a pill that is simply just too big to swallow.

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    Re: The C-SPAN Lie? See Eight Clips of Obama Promising Televised Healthcare Negotiati

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    The funny thing about it is...YOU KNOW you are the wrong side when CSPAN is calling out Obama. Either CSPAN is part of the grand right-wing conspiracy that lies all the time, or Obama(AND Pelosi Co. since she had to insert her nose in this) is a liar. The first will make any liberal look absurdly ridiculous and undermine what they have been saying about any type of news that they disagree with, the second is a pill that is simply just too big to swallow.
    C Span is right

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    Re: The C-SPAN Lie? See Eight Clips of Obama Promising Televised Healthcare Negotiati

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Yep, Obama screwed up. He should have been more like Bush:

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    Re: The C-SPAN Lie? See Eight Clips of Obama Promising Televised Healthcare Negotiati

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...ssions-C-SPAN/

    Since breaking this promise can only be bad for Obama, I imagine the other parties must have been exerting some kind of influence to keep things quiet; their organizations have their own public relations concerns, so they insisted Obama take the hit so that they don't look bad to certain of their constituents.

    The first will make any liberal look absurdly ridiculous and undermine what they have been saying about any type of news that they disagree with, the second is a pill that is simply just too big to swallow.
    Since some broken promises are anticipated in every political candidate, I don't see what makes this case so remarkable.
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    Re: The C-SPAN Lie? See Eight Clips of Obama Promising Televised Healthcare Negotiati

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    The funny thing about it is...YOU KNOW you are the wrong side when CSPAN is calling out Obama. Either CSPAN is part of the grand right-wing conspiracy that lies all the time, or Obama(AND Pelosi Co. since she had to insert her nose in this) is a liar. The first will make any liberal look absurdly ridiculous and undermine what they have been saying about any type of news that they disagree with, the second is a pill that is simply just too big to swallow.
    Look again, DW. CSPAN isn't calling Obama out. That would be Breitbart TV, and Politifact.

    And don't get me wrong, I would have loved to have seen the negotiations on this bill on TV someplace, and while one of the CSPAN networks would probably have been the best place for it, it's possible that Obama wasn't so much lying, as not knowing that he would be unable to get CSPAN to do his bidding.

    CSPAN, for those who don't know, is government television, that is not run by any government - local, state, or federal. It's a privately owned network, paid for and operated by a conglomerate of all the national, and a good number of the regional cable companies across the country. All costs and operating expenses come out of customer subscription fees for those cable/satellite companies that carry the CSPAN networks.

    Now, maybe CSPAN thought that the healthcare bill negotiations were going to be even more boring than what they usually have on. Maybe they didn't have the resources to cover the senate, congress, and a separate feed soley for the negotiations. Maybe Obama never even asked. At this point, I don't think that anyone can definitively say , however, that Obama lied about this.

    I'm not saying he didn't lie, and I'm not saying he did. I'm just saying that we don't know for a fact one way or the other at this point. Intentional or not, however, it is still a promise broken, and one that would have been better kept, in my opinion. At least the public would have had the chance to see what actually transpired in those negotiations, and not gotten everything third hand, from spokespeople, lobbyists, political analysts and everyone but the people at the negotiating table.

    Perhaps if it had been televised, we wouldn't have had to wade through all of the crap from both sides over the last six months.
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    Re: The C-SPAN Lie? See Eight Clips of Obama Promising Televised Healthcare Negotiati

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    PolitiFact | Negotiate health care reform in public sessions televised on C-SPAN - Obama promise No. 517:

    Since breaking this promise can only be bad for Obama, I imagine the other parties must have been exerting some kind of influence to keep things quiet; their organizations have their own public relations concerns, so they insisted Obama take the hit so that they don't look bad to certain of their constituents.



    Since some broken promises are anticipated in every political candidate, I don't see what makes this case so remarkable.
    I think that your last statement is interesting in rwo different ways.

    First, promises about change was the core of the Obama campaign. So this can be put on a similar plane as Bush #1 saying no new taxes.

    This leads to the second point. It seems that the mass of Obamaites will forgive any transgression. He knows it and that is why for example health care is a travesty. Pass anything and his followers will bow down to it. On the other hand when Bush changed on his pledge, the press killed him, kept reminding his followers of the change and he was booted out of office.

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    Re: The C-SPAN Lie? See Eight Clips of Obama Promising Televised Healthcare Negotiati

    I see this has all been quietly swept under the rug.
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    Re: The C-SPAN Lie? See Eight Clips of Obama Promising Televised Healthcare Negotiati

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