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    Re: Pro-Life Advocates Plan to Protest Opening of Largest Abortion Clinic in U.S

    Quote Originally Posted by Areopagitican View Post
    I'm just going to shoot from the hip here, no numbers or anything. But I'm fairly certain suicide bombers answering the call to jihad somewhat outweigh the amount of Christian, er, Crusaders (?) that blow up abortion clinics.
    Like I said, this is not a football game. You don't get to be morally superior based on the number of bombs you blast.

    So, from that perspective, it does seem a shoe-in whether... Well, whatever salient point you two are discussing.
    You don't understand the point yet, and it's not really that salient anyway which I just said, and it's spelled "shoo-in."

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    Re: Pro-Life Advocates Plan to Protest Opening of Largest Abortion Clinic in U.S

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    This is incredible. I applaud this.
    So much for "safe, legal and rare", huh?

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    Re: Pro-Life Advocates Plan to Protest Opening of Largest Abortion Clinic in U.S

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Like I said, this is not a football game. You don't get to be morally superior based on the number of bombs you blast.
    Seems to me that we're not talking about the people who "blast bombs."

    We're talking about the rest of the people within the same motivational group who don't do that, and the level of outrage they have over those who do such things in their names.

    That does make some difference.

    Look, it's not neurosurgery -- if someone's going around killing in your name, and most of you get pissed of by it, then it's far more clear that the killers really are the extremists, and they really don't represent the rank and file membership of your group, than it is if most you shrug, and only a few condemn it.

    I frankly don't see how that's arguable, unless you're bent on drawing a moral equivalence. But guess what? Some things aren't morally equivalent.
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    Re: Pro-Life Advocates Plan to Protest Opening of Largest Abortion Clinic in U.S

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Seems to me that we're not talking about the people who "blast bombs."

    We're talking about the rest of the people within the same motivational group who don't do that, and the level of outrage they have over those who do such things in their names.

    That does make some difference.

    Look, it's not neurosurgery -- if someone's going around killing in your name, and most of you get pissed of by it, then it's far more clear that the killers really are the extremists, and they really don't represent the rank and file membership of your group, than it is if most you shrug, and only a few condemn it.

    I frankly don't see how that's arguable, unless you're bent on drawing a moral equivalence. But guess what? Some things aren't morally equivalent.
    Hey, guess what? That's EXACTLY the argument that terrorists use to justify killing civilians: the U.S. government was elected by the people, and is killing Muslims in our name, so we are responsible.

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    Re: Pro-Life Advocates Plan to Protest Opening of Largest Abortion Clinic in U.S

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Hey, guess what? That's EXACTLY the argument that terrorists use to justify killing civilians: the U.S. government was elected by the people, and is killing Muslims in our name, so we are responsible.


    Riiiiiight. Yeah, that's where I'm going with this -- justifying killing anyone.

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    Re: Pro-Life Advocates Plan to Protest Opening of Largest Abortion Clinic in U.S

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post


    Riiiiiight. Yeah, that's where I'm going with this -- justifying killing anyone.

    Seems to me the folks closest to thinking like that are supporters of death panels and abortion.
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    Re: Pro-Life Advocates Plan to Protest Opening of Largest Abortion Clinic in U.S

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post


    Riiiiiight. Yeah, that's where I'm going with this -- justifying killing anyone.

    Didn't say that at all. Just noting that you can't hold people responsible for something they didn't do. It's a logical fallacy. That applies to anti-abortion people, Muslims, and American voters alike. That was my point from the beginning.

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    Re: Pro-Life Advocates Plan to Protest Opening of Largest Abortion Clinic in U.S

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Didn't say that at all. Just noting that you can't hold people responsible for something they didn't do. It's a logical fallacy. That applies to anti-abortion people, Muslims, and American voters alike. That was my point from the beginning.
    I don't think it was your point from the beginning, but if it was, you didn't express it well.

    Never said anything about holding people who didn't do anything responsible for those who do. Spoke only of the relative outrage apparent between the groups, and how it's not comparable.

    Why? Because you brought it up.
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    Re: Pro-Life Advocates Plan to Protest Opening of Largest Abortion Clinic in U.S

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    I don't think it was your point from the beginning, but if it was, you didn't express it well.
    That's true. I didn't know I would need to.

    Never said anything about holding people who didn't do anything responsible for those who do. Spoke only of the relative outrage apparent between the groups, and how it's not comparable.
    But the relative outrage is irrelevant. Nobody is obligated to express outrage about what someone else does.

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    Re: Pro-Life Advocates Plan to Protest Opening of Largest Abortion Clinic in U.S

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    sickening. Just sickening......
    Wow, Pro-Life is going to protest an abortion clinic...who'd a thought

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