The new Iranian uprising - This time, the Mullahs will fall

Thomas Jefferson said:

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

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And, it seems, that the Iranian people, after taking casualties, are now beginning to inflict them. Although not in the mainstream media, the Iranian resistance and uprising is very real.

Ahmadinejad's opponent in the last election, Seyad Mousavi, has now been disappeared, and he has most likely been murdered by the Mullahs. The Bah'ai' 7 are still languishing in prison, while the Mullahs attempt to execute them for the crime of practicing their religion, and the Basij, the Mullahs' morality police, are killing Iranian civilians by the score.

Now the people are fighting back. Check out these videos, posted on The Daily Beast.

When religion marries the state, the result is always the same - Tyranny. We saw it in the Spanish Inquisition, when Jews and other "non believers" were tortured to death. We saw it in Salem, Massechussets, when witches were executed. We saw it in the Old South, when black voters were lynched by the KKK. We have seen it, over the ages, in myriad places around the world. And now we see it in Iran, which is controlled by yet another group of religious fanatics, whose prescription for those who don't accept THEIR VERSION of Allah is death.

It didn't stand in Spain. It didn't stand in Salem. It didn't stand in the Old South. It didn't stand anyplace else. And it certainly won't stand in Iran. Death to the Mullahs. So says Thomas Jefferson, who understood that, sometimes, it takes death and violence to throw off the yoke of oppression. These Mullahs are not Godly. They are the Devil's spawn, and the sooner they are dead and buried, the better.

Now here's an idea - Instead of threatening to bomb Iran, why not just give guns to it's enslaved population, who would put them to excellent use? Meanwhile, enjoy this picture of the Mullahs' henchmen getting the crap kicked out of them.



Iran - You rock. Now finish the job, and kill those SOBs - Every damn last one of them. The words of Thomas Jefferson aren't just for Americans. They are universal. Water the tree, and water it well.

Good for the Iranian people, Ahemdinijad and the Mullahs days are numbered.

chevydriver1123 said:

Good for the Iranian people, Ahemdinijad and the Mullahs days are numbered.

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***** I Pray for you to be right - but the Mullahs are prepred to Kill off a sizeable number of their own people to stay in power and that should not be overlooked.

The concept of "We The People" that the State exists by the will of the people is not just a Western theory. It is an analysis of State to Man dynamics.

Wherever the State fails to legitimize itself through the will of the people, then the State will fall.

The Iranian people will send this tyranny to hell.

danarhea said:

Iran - You rock. Now finish the job, and kill those SOBs - Every damn last one of them. The words of Thomas Jefferson aren't just for Americans. They are universal. Water the tree, and water it well.

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I hope they revolt. We may have lost our way and our Republic, but other people can carry the torch of freedom and liberty. I hope they revolt and I hope they win. It would be great for America if an Iranian revolution goes through, is successful, and listens to the hearts of the People by creating a decent Republic.

danarhea said:

And, it seems, that the Iranian people, after taking casualties, are now beginning to inflict them. Although not in the mainstream media, the Iranian resistance and uprising is very real.

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While Iran definitely has all the makings for a revolution unlike, say, Burma or Belarus...I'll believe it when it happens.

danarhea said:

Ahmadinejad's opponent in the last election, Seyad Mousavi, has now been disappeared, and he has most likely been murdered by the Mullahs.

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FYI he updated his Facebook page about 18 minutes ago, so wherever he is he's alive and has access to the internet.

danarhea said:

Now here's an idea - Instead of threatening to bomb Iran, why not just give guns to it's enslaved population, who would put them to excellent use?

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There's no easy way to get guns to them. And the opposition movement has been based on nonviolence so far.

Agree with everything said. Now might not be the best time to turn up the "bomb Iran" rhetoric and unite the Iranian nation behind their government. I fear it may be a long haul. After all, the American Revolution didn't happen in a day either.

We should do all we can to quietly suppoirt these guys. The British Ambassador in Tehran was summoned to their government for a dressing down. So we might as well deserve it. But it needs to be the Iranian people changing the regime and intervention will only be justified when a certain level of barbarity is reached by the existing regime which would force the intenrational community (ie the liberal democracies) to act.

John Kerry will prop up the Mullahs. No worries.

apdst said:

John Kerry will prop up the Mullahs. No worries.

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This thread isn't about John Kerry or any other Democrat, or Republican, for that matter. It is a serious thread about the Iranian uprising, and the defeat of religious extremism, and I would like to see serious debate in this thread, instead of it turning into a flame war between hyperpartisans. Please stick to the topic, and stop being a troll.

Simple you ask what can we do us outside of Iran for starters here in the United State we can go and take over the Iran UN mission else were in the World attack Iran Embass by the Free people of the World.

The more we attack Iran interest in the World the more they have to start thinking about what they are doing in their Country. Basic law of War attack anything of your enemys when every you can.

This isn't all of Iran. Its a small segment and if the US or the western world tries to help the protestors you can bet that the "revolution" will be over.

stalin_was_a_nice_being said:

This isn't all of Iran. Its a small segment and if the US or the western world tries to help the protestors you can bet that the "revolution" will be over.

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No it's all of Iran not just "small segment"

danarhea said:

Ahmadinejad's opponent in the last election, Seyad Mousavi, has now been disappeared, and he has most likely been murdered by the Mullahs. The Bah'ai' 7 are still languishing in prison, while the Mullahs attempt to execute them for the crime of practicing their religion, and the Basij, the Mullahs' morality police, are killing Iranian civilians by the score.

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After having read your post more carefully, Dana. I think you should know that many of the people leading the protests are Mullahs themselves. Ayatollah Montazeri is a prominant supporter of the protestors and many of the protestors are pro-Montazeri. Montazeri is definately not anti-mullah.

Scorpion89 said:

No it's all of Iran not just "small segment"

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No. I'm sorry it isn't all of Iran. Its mostly urban youth that are middle-class.

I'd like to be hopeful. It would be a nice change of pace.

Overthrowing the Mullahs and their puppet government won't be easy. I wish the people of Iran well in this effort.

One thing that worries me is this: even IF they do succeed in overthrowing the existing government, there is no guarantee that what replaces it will be substantially better, or peaceful and not-threatening-neighbors. Revolution is a chancy thing... contrast the American Revolution with France's revolution (Robespierre and the Reign of Terror, etc).

There's a lot of questions to be asked. What do the Iranian people want, exactly? They are opposed to the Mullahs, but what do they want in their place? For all we know, their vision might not be anything we'd recognize as a free and democratic peaceful republic.

Even if many of the Iranian people would want that, what if a Robespierre or a Stalin hijacks their revolution? It could easily happen. "Strong-man leadership" is a culturally common concept in that part of the world.

It's not that I want to rain on the parade, Lord knows I hope for the best, I'm just throwing out a word of caution that the revolution could just as easily be led by a Robespierre/Stalin/Mao-tse as a Jefferson/Franklin/Washington archetype, and we should take care not to make ethnocentric assumptions about what the "will of the people" might be.



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Scorpion89 said:

Simple you ask what can we do us outside of Iran for starters here in the United State we can go and take over the Iran UN mission else were in the World attack Iran Embass by the Free people of the World.

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Why? What will that accomplish, other than severing our own communications channels?

Scorpion89 said:

The more we attack Iran interest in the World the more they have to start thinking about what they are doing in their Country. Basic law of War attack anything of your enemys when every you can.

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That's a basic law of war? I think Sun Tzu would puke if he heard that.

chevydriver1123 said:

Good for the Iranian people, Ahemdinijad and the Mullahs days are numbered.

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The Ayetollah is going to get a beat down one of these days.

Vader said:

The Ayetollah is going to get a beat down one of these days.

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How about today? That works for me.

Scorpion89 said:

No it's all of Iran not just "small segment"

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Yeah, but to some folks, the minority is all of fill in country of choice

danarhea said:

This thread isn't about John Kerry or any other Democrat, or Republican, for that matter. It is a serious thread about the Iranian uprising, and the defeat of religious extremism, and I would like to see serious debate in this thread, instead of it turning into a flame war between hyperpartisans. Please stick to the topic, and stop being a troll.

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Ok, and John Kerry is planning to visit Iran and lend credibility to the Iranian government. Does your crybaby rant about partisanship mean that you support Kerry's mission?

Oh, BTW, the protesters really don't want Kerry to pay Ahmainajihad a friendly visit.

I would like to agree with the OP but....

I am an active Twitterer. I had a green avatar on there in suppport of the revolution from the beginning. The revolution has been broadcase live there from day one. unfortunately, I fear, the short attention span of the West will be the down fall of this movement. I am sure there are CIA ops in country enabling and funding the resistance, but Iran has fought it long enough that it is no longer a major story. They have closed most avenues of communication with the outside world, save Twitter. Not that long ago, a DNS (denial of service) was attributed to Iran's Intelligence stopping the revolutions main venue to voice it

They killed neda on video and while she is now the face of the revolution it has gone too long Neda Soltan, Young Woman Hailed as Martyr in Iran, Becomes Face of Protests - International News | News of the World | Middle East News | Europe News - FOXNews.com her tomb has been desecrated as well.

I wish them all the best of luck, but the Mullah's have already made their guy the president despite the 'true election results'. figure heads and leading members are being arrested or killed. And no foriegn power will do a thing since it is an internal matter (officially).

Brutality will win over Ideology

a heavy price will be paid, even long after the revolt ends, in the dark of night

sad, but that is what I see happening. They came so close to becoming a 21st century country but those in power will endure whatever criticism they must to maintain control

apdst said:

Ok, and John Kerry is planning to visit Iran and lend credibility to the Iranian government. Does your crybaby rant about partisanship mean that you support Kerry's mission?

Oh, BTW, the protesters really don't want Kerry to pay Ahmainajihad a friendly visit.

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I had no idea that John Kerry was able to legitimize governments.

Arch Enemy said:

I had no idea that John Kerry was able to legitimize governments.

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A United States Senator, sent on a trip to visit the government of another country, by the president won't add legitimacy to a government?

As far as I know, the president wouldn't send a member of Congress to visit a government that our government didn't recognize. That's how it works in the diplomatic world, isn't it?

Kandahar said:

And the opposition movement has been based on nonviolence so far.

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Not exactly true. At first they didn't fight back because they couldn't. The other guys have the bigger guns. But now they're starting to get rougher, as evidenced by the picture in the OP.

stalin_was_a_nice_being said:

No. I'm sorry it isn't all of Iran. Its mostly urban youth that are middle-class.

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Even if that were true (it's not), a very large portion of the Iranian population is urban middle-class youths.