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    Re: Dems not worried about post-vote backlash at home

    Why would they? They are getting paid up front.
    Thank you

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    Re: Dems not worried about post-vote backlash at home

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Dems not worried about post-vote backlash at home - Live Pulse - POLITICO.com

    Yeah, the polls just show this to be true...

    I wonder how Reid will feel about the "joy" when he and about a dozen other Senators are unemployed come Nov?
    When your party has been dreaming this for decades... they are willing to sacrifice anything to make the Volk more dependent, and to have a future hammer to "show" how heartless Republicans are. Another chunk of liberty abolished.

    Bit by bit... on our way to becoming as incompetent and lame as Europe.

    Let's face it, they have great institutions of indoctrination and propaganda to use once this beast is implemented... the schools... the Old Media... the (projectile vomit icon) Intelligentsia.

    They ignore the massive failures of socialism now... you think they'll take responsibility for its failures later? LOL... no, no, no... it will be the heartless R's fault, and we will need to spend more and ration care.

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    Re: Dems not worried about post-vote backlash at home

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Dems not worried about post-vote backlash at home - Live Pulse - POLITICO.com

    Yeah, the polls just show this to be true...

    I wonder how Reid will feel about the "joy" when he and about a dozen other Senators are unemployed come Nov?
    I'm betting everyone who sold their souls in this debacle has a safe position in the bureaucracy or K-Street already waiting on them.

    at triple their current salary.

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    Re: Dems not worried about post-vote backlash at home

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    When your party has been dreaming this for decades... they are willing to sacrifice anything to make the Volk more dependent, and to have a future hammer to "show" how heartless Republicans are. Another chunk of liberty abolished.
    Steyn, I think, has been particularly good at pointing out how Republicans are stupidly thinking tactically while Democrats are thinking strategically. The point isn't to win in 2010 or even maybe in 2012. It's to create a permanent majority dependent upon the state for something.

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    Re: Dems not worried about post-vote backlash at home

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Steyn, I think, has been particularly good at pointing out how Republicans are stupidly thinking tactically while Democrats are thinking strategically. The point isn't to win in 2010 or even maybe in 2012. It's to create a permanent majority dependent upon the state for something.
    It's not that we think "we should institute a public option so we can have a majority", we think "we should institute a public option because a society where everyone has access to health care and doesn't have to worry about being denied coverage, and a public option would be the best way to make sure of that".
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    Re: Dems not worried about post-vote backlash at home

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    16th amendment.
    "The congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes..." How does instituting a health care system violate this?

    9th amendment.
    "the enumeration in the consitution of certain rights shall not be sontrued to deny or disparage others"
    This could actually be argued that people have the right to access to health care under this, but I don't see how it helps your case.

    10th amendment.
    A truism, nothing more.

    Article I, section 8.
    What's your point about this?

    Article I, section 9, clause 3.
    No bill of attainder or ex post facto law shall be passed? Huh?

    Article IV, section 2, clause 1.

    The citizens of each state shall be entitled to all privileges and immunities of citizens in the several states"

    What about it?
    The Makeout Hobo is real, and does indeed travel around the country in his van and make out with ladies... If you meet the Makeout Hobo, it is customary to greet him with a shot of whiskey and a high five (if you are a dude) or passionate makeouts (if you are a lady).

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    Re: Dems not worried about post-vote backlash at home

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    "The congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes..." How does instituting a health care system violate this?


    "the enumeration in the consitution of certain rights shall not be sontrued to deny or disparage others"
    This could actually be argued that people have the right to access to health care under this, but I don't see how it helps your case.


    A truism, nothing more.


    What's your point about this?


    No bill of attainder or ex post facto law shall be passed? Huh?



    The citizens of each state shall be entitled to all privileges and immunities of citizens in the several states"

    What about it?
    You know there is legal precident that demonstrates it's not across the board, that is some state laws are not subjugated by federal law.
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    Re: Dems not worried about post-vote backlash at home

    Quote Originally Posted by ConservaBill View Post
    I disagree.. There WOULD be great harm in doing so...

    We conservatives are fully involved and we are taking back the Republican party, so that we can rid our party of progressives and castrate the socialist agenda.... sans anesthesia!

    Socialism (progressivism) is STILL the enemy of freedom and liberty and WE are taking the fight to them in 2010!

    Pick a side folks .. it's going to be an interesting year in the old US of A!
    socialism is positive freedom.
    communism in its final form (orthodox marxism) is the ultimate expression of human freedom because one would simply do as they please because there would be an abundance of resources freely available to use by all.

    capitalism is merely wage slavery. Slaves in ancient greece were often paid, and were able to purchase their freedom.

    How is that any different than the typical capitalist view point of getting a job, building wealth just to live the easy life when you eventually can retire, while the real slave owners(the richest of the population) never had it hard to begin with?

    if you have no wealth to start with you must work for someone else, you ARE at the mercy of the supplier.

    slavery is often erroneously said to be "labor without pay" when slaves have been paid even in ancient times, and even the slave owners referred to them as slaves

    Not to mention if someone buys all the land surrounding your property youre trapped, and thus not free.

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    Re: Dems not worried about post-vote backlash at home

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    "The congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes..." How does instituting a health care system violate this?
    The bill would not regulate any activity, per se, write former Justice Department lawyers David Rivkin and Lee Casey in a recent Wall Street Journal opinion piece: “Simply being an American would trigger it.”

    Moreover, legal critics of the bill say a tax on Americans who refuse to buy healthcare insurance violates the 16th Amendment, which regulates how government can raise and spend taxes – a critical link to how Americans perceive individual liberty in their personal and business lives.

    “A ‘tax’ that falls exclusively on anyone who is uninsured is a penalty beyond Congress’ authority,” write Messrs. Rivkin and Casey. “If the rule were otherwise, Congress could evade all constitutional limits by ‘taxing’ anyone who doesn’t follow an order of any kind – whether to obtain healthcare insurance … or even eat your vegetables.”
    Is the House healthcare reform bill unconstitutional? / The Christian Science Monitor - CSMonitor.com


    "the enumeration in the consitution of certain rights shall not be sontrued to deny or disparage others"
    This could actually be argued that people have the right to access to health care under this, but I don't see how it helps your case.
    So you think I don't have the right NOT to be forced to buy some product that someone else thinks I should buy?


    A truism, nothing more.
    The 10th amendment is a truism?

    tru·ism (trzm)
    n.
    A self-evident truth. See Synonyms at cliché.

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    tru·istic (tr-stk) adj.

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    truism [ˈtruːɪzəm]
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    an obvious truth; platitude
    [from true + -ism]
    truistic adj
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    truism
    a self-evident, obvious truth. — truistic, truistical, adj.
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    Works for me.... It's a self-evident, obvious truth that the Federal Government hasn't the right to force health insurance on anyone, thanx for agreeing.


    What's your point about this?
    Article I, section 8 is a list of the powers Congress has........ no where in that section does it say they can force me to buy a product of any kind.


    No bill of attainder or ex post facto law shall be passed? Huh?
    Attainder
    attainder n. The loss of all civil rights by a person sentenced for a serious crime. [< OFr. attaindre, to convict] Source: AHD

    In the context of the Constitution, a Bill of Attainder is meant to mean a bill that has a negative effect on a single person or group (for example, a fine or term of imprisonment). Originally, a Bill of Attainder sentenced an individual to death, though this detail is no longer required to have an enactment be ruled a Bill of Attainder.

    The Constitutional Dictionary - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net




    The citizens of each state shall be entitled to all privileges and immunities of citizens in the several states"

    What about it?
    You are aware of all the special deals (bribes) given to various States so their Congress Critters would vote for this mess?
    There is no such thing as a “Natural Born Dual-Citizen“.

    Originally Posted by PogueMoran
    I didnt have to read the article to tell you that you cant read.

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    Re: Dems not worried about post-vote backlash at home

    Quote Originally Posted by EmpiricalTruth View Post
    Socialism is positive freedom.
    Socialism, where you are forced to provide others with them means to exercise their rights, is slavery, the antithesuis of liberty.
    communism in its final form (orthodox marxism) is the ultimate expression of human freedom because one would simply do as they please because there would be an abundance of resources freely available to use by all.
    It is also contrary to human nature. Peopel will always act in what they see as their own best interest.
    capitalism is merely...
    ...the incredibly silly idea that what you earn is yours and that -you- have the choice to do what you will with said earnings.

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