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    Re: Dems not worried about post-vote backlash at home

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    maureen dowd is certainly energized, holy cow

    obama can't find his pulse, she explains:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/30/op...dowd.html?_r=1

    some of the saltier sallies from ms dowd's piece:

    the bribes and pork in his hallmark legislation

    the secrecy

    the expanded executive privilege

    doubling down in afghanistan while pretending to get out

    (this is all ms dowd talking, mind you)

    a nigerian with powder in his pants, a syringe with acid, who's own father fingered him, pays with cash, carries no luggage, the brits pulled his visa, who learned arabic in yemen and is on a watch list---if you can't catch him, who can you catch, complains the catwoman

    she keeps calling obama, spock

    in his usual uninspiring, listless way

    (read the op ed if you want, i'm just trying to save you time)

    he should at least SEEM concerned, considers dowd

    flying by the seat of his pants

    had to admit what napolitano denied

    i'll quote her conclusion direct:



    wow, that seems rather harsh

    especially considering the source

    a week ago william daley came out against obama, just as hard

    time for choosing, daley declared, obama's way or survival

    dean broder echoed daley days later, specifically calling for the president to heed daley's advice

    i saw it before when der speigel, after the asia trip, headlined, "obama's nice guy act gets him nowhere on the world stage"

    the next day, cfr, the council on foreign relations, put out a piece on the same topic, obama's meetings with hu, titled, "amateur hour at the white house"

    keith olbermann bellowed he would cancel his health care and go to jail before buying govt mandated private insurance

    and now dowd

    there's no denying, the president has lost a great deal of influence

    sure, the left is all amped up for obama

    meet virginia

    LOL,LOL,LOL.
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    Re: Dems not worried about post-vote backlash at home

    ben nelson trails dave heineman by THIRTY ONE points

    that's a lotta hell to pay

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    Re: Dems not worried about post-vote backlash at home

    Quote Originally Posted by ConservaBill View Post
    I disagree.. There WOULD be great harm in doing so...

    We conservatives are fully involved and we are taking back the Republican party, so that we can rid our party of progressives and castrate the socialist agenda.... sans anesthesia!

    Socialism (progressivism) is STILL the enemy of freedom and liberty and WE are taking the fight to them in 2010!

    Pick a side folks .. it's going to be an interesting year in the old US of A!
    So long as it is true conservativism and now what the Republicans have given us for the past decade, I am with you. However, as of right now, BOTH parties have been screwing the country blind.
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    Re: Dems not worried about post-vote backlash at home

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    by summer everyone will forget

    LOL!

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    so revealing a concession
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    Re: Dems not worried about post-vote backlash at home

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    That's a bit ridiculous, since "reform" is just a word for change and unless people think that the current system is the very worst theoretically possible system, they wouldn't just back any reform for the sole reason of backing a reform; and if they do, then frankly they don't have many brains. The liberals who oppose the bill might be in the minority of liberals, but they're hardly in the fringe. And even those who did appreciate it as a modest improvement are hardly "energized" by it to the same extent that its opponents are.
    There are real, concrete bits of reform tucked in this package that most of us think will improve things. More people covered and no exception for pre-existing conditions are both big gains. You spin and misrepresent.

    That's not what happened in 1994. People's memories aren't as short-term as you're giving them credit for.
    You do not seem to understand what happened in 94. A combination of republicans having a powerful message, and a president and congress who had raised taxes where the large part of the 94 elections.

    That basically is what you said.
    No, actually it's not. Sorry the complex message went over your head.
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    Re: Dems not worried about post-vote backlash at home

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    There are real, concrete bits of reform tucked in this package that most of us think will improve things. More people covered and no exception for pre-existing conditions are both big gains. You spin and misrepresent.
    How do you pay for 30,000,000 new people, and where ya gonna get the doctors to treat them?


    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You do not seem to understand what happened in 94. A combination of republicans having a powerful message, and a president and congress who had raised taxes where the large part of the 94 elections.
    Keep tellin yourself that. Up until about 3 years ago, everyone KNEW '94 was about the GOP riding public sentiment and anger at an over reaching Dem administration.

    Now that Obamacare is coming, suddenly '94 really didn't mean that at all...

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    Re: Dems not worried about post-vote backlash at home

    **** The difference between now and 1994 is that we are even more polarized as a Nation. Also in 1993/94 a Democrat Majority could (under some circumstances) say no to a sitting Democrat President (Clinton) or at least stall things quietly . Now an absolute emotional advantage exists for Obama. He has a higher ratio in Congress of White Liberals and he's had 30 years of practice of being able to handle them.

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    Re: Dems not worried about post-vote backlash at home

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    There are real, concrete bits of reform tucked in this package that most of us think will improve things. More people covered and no exception for pre-existing conditions are both big gains. You spin and misrepresent.
    I don't think you seem to understand the difference between your personal opinion and the opinion of liberals in general. Just because you think it's a good bill doesn't mean that the vast majority of liberals agree with you. A majority might agree with you, but it's not vast. Not to mention, as I've already said, how few liberals there are compared to conservatives in the first place. More importantly, even the people who support the bill aren't nearly as energized by it as those who oppose it, a point I already made several times which you seem to consistently ignore.

    You do not seem to understand what happened in 94. A combination of republicans having a powerful message, and a president and congress who had raised taxes where the large part of the 94 elections.
    And the health care bill. Sorry but to say that that had nothing to do with it would be to revise history as almost everyone has accepted it. Republicans might have won a lot of seats even without the health care bill; they wouldn't have won such a huge amount of seats without it.

    No, actually it's not. Sorry the complex message went over your head.
    People won't think about the health care bill when they vote, even though they say they will now? There is no possible way for that not to imply a horrible short-term memory among Americans.

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    Re: Dems not worried about post-vote backlash at home

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    I don't think you seem to understand the difference between your personal opinion and the opinion of liberals in general. Just because you think it's a good bill doesn't mean that the vast majority of liberals agree with you. A majority might agree with you, but it's not vast. Not to mention, as I've already said, how few liberals there are compared to conservatives in the first place. More importantly, even the people who support the bill aren't nearly as energized by it as those who oppose it, a point I already made several times which you seem to consistently ignore.
    My personal opinion is the bill could be a lot better by doing less. I am not talking to my personal opinion, but to what I see as the opinions of the left more generally. You also make the mistake of thinking since we are not out in the street protesting, this means we are less energized. This is not true. Dissent always looks more energetic by it's nature.


    And the health care bill. Sorry but to say that that had nothing to do with it would be to revise history as almost everyone has accepted it. Republicans might have won a lot of seats even without the health care bill; they wouldn't have won such a huge amount of seats without it.
    What health care bill? Was there ever a bill actually in congress, or was it just discussions? Trust me, when the 94 elections happened, the two big topics where the contract with America and taxes. Health care was a minor topic.

    People won't think about the health care bill when they vote, even though they say they will now? There is no possible way for that not to imply a horrible short-term memory among Americans.
    Again, I did not say that. The important topic will be the economy for most people. Health care will be a much lessor topic.
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    Re: Dems not worried about post-vote backlash at home

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    My personal opinion is the bill could be a lot better by doing less. I am not talking to my personal opinion, but to what I see as the opinions of the left more generally. You also make the mistake of thinking since we are not out in the street protesting, this means we are less energized. This is not true. Dissent always looks more energetic by it's nature.
    Voter Attitudes Towards Health Care Plan Harden - 58% Opposed - Rasmussen Reports

    The new figures include 19% who Strongly Favor the plan and 46% who Strongly Oppose it.
    Of course, that poll only reflects the common knowledge which everyone except you seems to have accepted.

    What health care bill? Was there ever a bill actually in congress, or was it just discussions? Trust me, when the 94 elections happened, the two big topics where the contract with America and taxes. Health care was a minor topic.
    It was a big deal, and pretty much everyone but you accepts that it had at least some impact on the 1994 elections.

    Again, I did not say that. The important topic will be the economy for most people. Health care will be a much lessor topic.
    Of course you did not say it. You implied it, even though you probably didn't intend to. You still have not explained how what you said could possibly not imply it.

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