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    Re: Dems not worried about post-vote backlash at home

    health care is bigtime in the american gut

    it will never go away and never be forgiven

    the liberal base is de-energized by it

    it has no PO

    and they're getting the crap kicked out of em from all political sides over the tons of trouble it contains

    like impossible mandates on bankrupt states

    10 years of taxes, 6 of benefits

    taxing everyone, lower and middle classes included

    forcing folks to finagle for themselves that which they can't afford in the first place and fining them if they don't

    the secret deal with phrma

    the class act

    the lack of transparency

    the purely partisan personality of its passage

    obama's image as open and reaching out ruined forever

    the doc fix, the bribes, the cuts that will never come

    the DEFICIT, thereby

    the POLLS

    etc, etc, etc

    live it, love it

    congrats

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    Re: Dems not worried about post-vote backlash at home

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    health care is bigtime in the american gut

    it will never go away and never be forgiven


    I think you're right, and I think in this way: It will be wildly popular, improved upon and expanded upon, and Republican uniform obstruction and opposition will be remembered.
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    Re: Dems not worried about post-vote backlash at home

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    But you also have to remember that it is energizing the liberal base as well, in the opposite direction. I really do think it will be a null factor for the most part come November.
    Not true, many liberals are very disappointed with how the bill turned out (including Howard Dean and Keith Olbermann). Plus, the conservative base is about twice as large as the liberal base.

    The bill was big enough, important enough, and unpopular enough that it will almost certainly have a huge impact.

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    Re: Dems not worried about post-vote backlash at home

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Not true, many liberals are very disappointed with how the bill turned out (including Howard Dean and Keith Olbermann). Plus, the conservative base is about twice as large as the liberal base.

    The bill was big enough, important enough, and unpopular enough that it will almost certainly have a huge impact.
    Not thrilled with the way it turned out due to not being strong enough, and guess who they blame for that. Hint: it's not really the democrats.
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    Re: Dems not worried about post-vote backlash at home

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Not thrilled with the way it turned out due to not being strong enough, and guess who they blame for that. Hint: it's not really the democrats.
    Doesn't change the fact that it in no way "energized" them. In fact, it pretty much did the opposite.

    You are also forgetting about independents, who were overwhelmingly against the bill.

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    Re: Dems not worried about post-vote backlash at home

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    I think you're right, and I think in this way: It will be wildly popular, improved upon and expanded upon, and Republican uniform obstruction and opposition will be remembered.
    This is also what Harry Reid said, it overestimates the actual good this bill can do, which is minimal and underestimates the economic and social damage it has the ability to do, which well overshadows the one or two things that might be of some minimal benefit. That being said, this bill is unpopular, and will cause a rage in the general populace not seen in at least a century.
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    Re: Dems not worried about post-vote backlash at home

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    This is also what Harry Reid said, it overestimates the actual good this bill can do, which is minimal and underestimates the economic and social damage it has the ability to do, which well overshadows the one or two things that might be of some minimal benefit. That being said, this bill is unpopular, and will cause a rage in the general populace not seen in at least a century.

    That is the essence of the Republican argument. I don't buy it.
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    Re: Dems not worried about post-vote backlash at home

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    I think you're right, and I think in this way: It will be wildly popular, improved upon and expanded upon, and Republican uniform obstruction and opposition will be remembered.
    sure, a 30 point swing in popularity by november

    with the benefits all back loaded

    get real

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    Re: Dems not worried about post-vote backlash at home

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Doesn't change the fact that it in no way "energized" them. In fact, it pretty much did the opposite.

    You are also forgetting about independents, who were overwhelmingly against the bill.
    I think you would be surprised at how adamant the left is for health care reform, even when amongst ourselves we cannot decide what reforms we want. Reform is important to us. I think you strongly underestimate how much this does energize us, even if we don't 100 % agree with the bill.

    Independents are, as best I can tell, mostly not going to vote on this issue. I see independents voting the economy much moreso than liberals or conservatives, which is why I see the economy being the issue come election time, and it's much too early to say what the economy will be like come November. It's important to remember that just because you support or oppose a bill does not mean you are going to vote based on that bill. Some people vote based on gun rights, or a desire for gun restrictions, whereas others(like myself), while having a position on the issue, would never actually base my vote on that issue.
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    Re: Dems not worried about post-vote backlash at home

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    That is the essence of the Republican argument. I don't buy it.
    I'll expand. No pre-existing conditions, that is a great goal, but, the problem is that everyone in the pool(coverage) will now have to pay for the cost increases that are incurred by covering very expensive chronic problems. Everyone must buy insurance or register for the government plan, on it's face it stinks of unconstitutionality, when you really get into details it is kind of like a large group policy because there are no pre-existing conditions.....here's the rub, if you are an unhealthy individual, as with group, this is a great deal for you, but, if you could do better with an individual policy, your price isn't as good, and all the while, you are still paying more taxes out of your gross earnings to fund the "public option", even if you have private coverage. Rationing and waiting lists, let's face it, that will happen, it hasn't failed to be a factor in any UHC system of the size and scope that this nation would have. etc. Anything else I will be happy to expand on.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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