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    Re: Dems not worried about post-vote backlash at home

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    It's not that we think "we should institute a public option so we can have a majority", we think "we should institute a public option because a society where everyone has access to health care and doesn't have to worry about being denied coverage, and a public option would be the best way to make sure of that".
    No, the average Liberal Dem voter thinks this about helping people. The Dem political machine wants to ensure more people like you continue to vote for them.

    You can't tell us how or where the money to pay for this will come from.

    You cannot explain the right to do it.

    You just "Feel" it's important to provide people something for free.


    Question, why do you support a program that puts a price on being free?
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    Re: Dems not worried about post-vote backlash at home

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    No, the average Liberal Dem voter thinks this about helping people. The Dem political machine wants to ensure more people like you continue to vote for them.

    You can't tell us how or where the money to pay for this will come from.

    You cannot explain the right to do it.

    You just "Feel" it's important to provide people something for free.


    Question, why do you support a program that puts a price on being free?
    What do you mean "puts a price on being free"
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    Re: Dems not worried about post-vote backlash at home

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Do you really think that 11 months from now, 12 senators who supported this will be out a job over this? The economy is going to be the big determinant to who people vote for in 2010. If the economy is improved significantly, dems will do well, it not, then dems won't do well. Health care is not going to be the big issue people vote on.
    healthcare is 1/6th of the economy. this bill pushing peoples' health premiums up is part of their economy; as is the fact that this bill increases their taxes and forces them to purchase a product many of them do not want.

    my uncle-in-law is a small business owner; he does contracting, and has up until now done very well with it. i talked to him over Christmas, and he told me that between the healthcare and the tax-and-cap going through congress, it was looking like he was going to have to cut 25-30% of his employees in order to keep his business solvent. how is being pushed out of work good for your household economy?

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    Re: Dems not worried about post-vote backlash at home

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    What do you mean "puts a price on being free"
    that would be the fact that it forces you to purchase a product just for being alive.

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    Re: Dems not worried about post-vote backlash at home

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    that would be the fact that it forces you to purchase a product just for being alive.
    I wasn't necessarily a huge fan of that aspect of it, personally. There were plans I liked better.
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    Re: Dems not worried about post-vote backlash at home

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    I wasn't necessarily a huge fan of that aspect of it, personally. There were plans I liked better.
    like what?

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    Re: Dems not worried about post-vote backlash at home

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    like what?
    I wasn't following the debate super close, but if I remember, the Rockafeller plan wasn't bad.
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    Re: Dems not worried about post-vote backlash at home

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    What do you mean "puts a price on being free"
    Have you not read the bill?? The whole "You have to buy this product for your own good, or you go to jail" bit?

    Or does that escape you?

    We are about to see a congressionally mandated law that forces people to purchase a service, or face fines, and jail time.

    Freedom, Individual freedom, once again suffers for the "greater good".
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    Re: Dems not worried about post-vote backlash at home

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Have you not read the bill?? The whole "You have to buy this product for your own good, or you go to jail" bit?

    Or does that escape you?

    We are about to see a congressionally mandated law that forces people to purchase a service, or face fines, and jail time.

    Freedom, Individual freedom, once again suffers for the "greater good".
    It would be helpful if you read all my posts before responding.
    The Makeout Hobo is real, and does indeed travel around the country in his van and make out with ladies... If you meet the Makeout Hobo, it is customary to greet him with a shot of whiskey and a high five (if you are a dude) or passionate makeouts (if you are a lady).

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    Re: Dems not worried about post-vote backlash at home

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Socialism, where you are forced to provide others with them means to exercise their rights, is slavery, the antithesuis of liberty.

    It is also contrary to human nature. Peopel will always act in what they see as their own best interest.

    ...the incredibly silly idea that what you earn is yours and that -you- have the choice to do what you will with said earnings.

    Theres many different versions of socialism. Many of them are interested in voluntarism.

    Its not contrary to human nature as many communistic viewpoints are all over the place. People naturally like to do what it is they love. With computers (namely wikipedia or the linux operating system... which is far superior to windows or mac) public means to control production is a reality. It also works out great.

    For this to transcend into everyday non-computer life we simply need technology to take over the boring aspects of life, which they have been accomplishing. Its only a matter of time before so much of the doldrumatic parts of life are taken over and humanity would be left to do what it pleases

    You cannot prove that property exists. You can prove that you use something, but to say that its yours is laughable. Capitalist philosophy is nothing but rhetoric to achieve a miserable goal.
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